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Metal-Rules.com has a review of the Purple gig in Montreal from August 27. It’s well written and may put a smile on your face, even if the author doesn’t quite get all the facts straight.
But to the Purple at hand! And don’t come at me with the “Deep Purple was better when they extended Space Truckin’ to a 25 minute jam that included a feedback-laden Ritchie Blackmore hissyfit, exploding amps, velvet bell bottoms, a damaged TV camera, destroyed guitars, and several lives lost in the process” rhetoric, either. They’re not that band anymore. They’re septuagenarians. And also, they’re in their 70s. Let ‘em play 15 five-minute songs instead of four half-hour wankfests. We want to hear Ian Gillan sing, not watch him play his damn congas all night. And honestly, they haven’t put out a bad record in at least 20 years. Their newest, the abysmally titled =1, is a very fun, energetic slice of heavy blues rock, and it’s clear the boys are mighty proud of the record, because they would wind up playing five tracks from it. Which I thoroughly enjoyed. New guitarist Simon Ferguson has brought a lot of energy to the band, a much different dynamic than when Steve Morse was a member. There’s more bite to Deep Purple now, and a lot less jam-band smoothness.
Read more in Metal-Rules.com.
Meanwhile, MetalTalk.net reviews the gig in Bridgeport, CT, from September 3, with better pictures, but significantly less insight:
I was highly anticipating this show, as the last time I saw Deep Purple was at Giants Stadium in New Jersey in 1988, where Guns N’ Roses and Aerosmith were playing when I was 17 years old. Having been formed in 1968 and still performing is an amazing feat.
They kicked off the night with the powerful, make-you-drive-fast song Highway Star. This song brings back memories of cruising the strip at night with my high school friends.
Read more and check out the photo gallery at MetalTalk.net.
Unauthorized copying, while sometimes necessary, is never as good as the real thing
As predictable as this comment will be, I didn’t realise DP have already changed guitarists, again! Sheesh, poor old McBride didn’t last long. As for the second comical review, well journalism has to start somewhere doesn’t it, unfortunately. The First of Two R&R Hall of Fame Inductees??? Hmmmm, Steve Howe was the only member of his tribute band to be inducted, but let’s not split hairs shall we. Comical indeed. Cheers.
September 8th, 2024 at 23:28If the reference above involved the Made in Japan and/or the other 3 related releases (4 nights were recorded) version of Highway Star, my interpretation of that jam is they took Mandrake Root’s solo section and placed it in the middle of Highway Star. Of course if I am wrong please anyone feel free to correct me.
September 9th, 2024 at 07:59Space Truckin’ wasn’t it, the extended & borrowed to a degree Dave Brubeck Quartet’s ‘Blue Rondo a la Turk’. DP were inspired by Keith Emerson’s band Nice & their take on it in the late 1960’s, which then crept into their live set in another form with everything else. I have always enjoyed the extended live version of Space Truckin’ from that era. Classic Deep Purple indeed. Classic late 1960’s into the early 70’s live rock music. That journalist who already has another ‘new’ guitarist in DP, is either deliberately being silly about a few things or he just doesn’t get it. What is that Bob Daisley lyric on the Blizzard of Oz song Revelation ‘Mother Earth’, ‘mother please forgive them, for they know not what they do’. Cheers.
September 9th, 2024 at 08:59I should include the Blizzard of Oz track in it’s full glory. Superb guitar from Randy Rhoads & Don Airey is sublime on this song, the strongest & most melodic song on that debut album. I have always thought it is sort of ruined a little at the ending with the heavy section coming in. Not badly as such but that rockier bit could or should have been a separate song. The softer quieter pastoral song Revelation should have had a different ending to fit in with it’s original music & intent. Anyway here it is. Don Airey in a ‘metal’ band. Not that he hasn’t done that before in hard rock. Cheers.
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September 9th, 2024 at 09:23I’m from Denmark, and in Denmark we have some critiques, persons who are not quite so enthusiastic for older musicians as the rest of us are!
Especially Thomas Treo is one of a kind to put it mildly!
Well, I’ve read a lot of other reviews and am always impressed how they seem to look at DP, and IG.
IG is an older man now, but I would love to hear any other 79’year olds who can sing just like him! He has a tremendous voice, and yeah it’s not like when he was a young man, how could it be?
I don’t sound like I did when I was a young girl, but for me he sings out of this world and I like to appreciate his efforts because he is amazing.
And let me end this little praise by saying that normally I am on FB, and that’s fun, but I do enjoy the lack of pure worshipping here 😉
September 9th, 2024 at 10:17I’m sure IG and the rest of DP are beautiful men and all that, but I like to go more into the depths of the music and not so much on the looks and hotness 😄
Thanks K
Sorry all I meant to say Space Truckin’ from the Made in Japan releases. Oops. Needed more sleep that day or something
September 10th, 2024 at 02:03Karin, you Viking Princess, are you now becoming a permanent illuminating fixture in our dark man cave? 😉
Ok, regular showers then. It couldn’t last forever.
Are/were DP beautiful men? I never thought them a particularly handsome band. Jon Lord in the first half of the 70ies, Ian Gillan (my wife disagrees!), Glenn Hughes and Tommy Bolin (the latter two only when they were not too sweaty, bloated and drugged out) were the only ones I would consider handsome, Tommy especially had an androgynous charm in the way he played, moved and looked. Ritchie, for all his vanity, was never a good-looking guy (a bit like a vulture!) and David Coverdale really only blossomed in early Whitesnake before he overdid things in his LA hair metal phase in the later 80ies.
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That Metal-Rules review is a hoot, especially:
“Anyway, that show I went to (Slash, to be specific, back in 2012) was a pleasant surprise: not because the set was rippingly good (cos it was) but because I ended up getting back home before ten p.m. After years of going to club shows that would end at two in the morning, this was a luxury! Yay, middle age!
That memory was in my mind as I scurried my way through downtown Montreal at the ridonkulously early hour of six p.m., the late summer sun still blazing in the sky, trying to arrive in time for Deep Purple’s latest visit, which was commencing at 6:30 sharp. Man, it was surreal. It was packed, there had to be 12,000 other aging rock and metal fans in the Bell Centre all there for arguably the best heavy metal early bird special you’ll ever encounter. Don’t these people have jobs?! I wondered, having taken two hours off from work just to make it to the arena on time. Then I saw all the grey hair and realized that many of these people, 95% of them men, are probably retired. If one of those dudes had a nickel for all the enlarged prostates in the building, they could buy themselves a couple Molson Exports and be racing to the bathroom every 20 minutes for the next eight hours. Seriously, the men’s rooms were packed all night. See your doctor regularly, fellas!”
That had my prostate contracting for once – with laughter! 🤣
September 10th, 2024 at 17:16Uwe – yes I’m here to stay! You’re a fun and very interesting group of people! I love reading the different posts 😊
Well, now I’m moving into an area I so enjoyed was lacking here, but since you bring it up 😉:
Yes, IG is a very very handsome man, so is RG, and the rest of them too!
Even in their late 70’s I must say your wife is right…
The situation on FB is that that’s all (especially the lady-folk) can talk about.
I’m ok with that of course! Every person is entitled to his/her sympathies!
What I love here is that we can talk about so many other things: was it really bad the way SM was let go or was it ok (I’m still not quite settled on that), all the RB discussions etc etc
Btw: can any of us suggest topics? Or is it the admin who decides?
I’m asking because there are some tunes I would really like to hear your thoughts about. F.e The Spanish Archer, that is still a mystery to me.
Thanks K
September 10th, 2024 at 21:05#7 Uwe:
for me Deep Purple MKII looked beautiful in the Perfect Strangers photo session!
lord with the legendary moustache, raybans and long hair, black leather jacket, and white tennis shoes.
Ritchie in python boots and leather suit (amazing jacket!)
Paice with mega sideburns, and baseball style look.
Glover with a T-shirt and an incredibly Miami Vice-like style.
Gillan still in great shape with very long hair, boots and shirt.
I loved the blue-toned photos in the PS book!
when i think of them in my mind i’m always like in 84, even if i started listening to them in 1988….what would i pay to be older and have seen them on the PS tour!
September 10th, 2024 at 22:43“Btw: can any of us suggest topics? Or is it the admin who decides?
I’m asking because there are some tunes I would really like to hear your thoughts about. F.e The Spanish Archer, that is still a mystery to me.”
Liebe Ms Verndal, our Admins keep us selflessly entertained with an embarrassment of different topics every week and in their wisdom grant us a lot of freedom to sometimes stray a bit from subjects. Not that I personally ever would, I abhor digression and streams of consciousness.
But what are our questions re The Spanish Archer then? We’re here to help!
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September 11th, 2024 at 16:03For Karin (and let’s not be binary, but inclusive: anyone else who takes an interest in Jon’s scarf wear), we must accommodate:
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September 11th, 2024 at 17:50@10
Well thanks for enlightening me in the Admin’s amazing work to entertain us 😊
Let us never stray, but!
The Spanish Archer is a bit of a mystery for me because it doesn’t seem to fit in ‘the House of Blue Light’ completely.
Not that I’m not intrigued by the song, because I’m listening to it almost every day!
Unfortunately I’m not a musician but for me it sounds like a medieval tune. It’s rock alright, but there’s some feeling in it that goes way back! Do you know what I mean?
The rest of the songs ‘Bad Artitude’, ‘Call of the Wild’, ‘Dead or Alive’ etc are so much more DP.
And the lyric is puzzling me! What I love about DP’s lyrics are the humorous tones in them, tongue in cheek, 😉<- this kind.
September 12th, 2024 at 06:26But in The Spanish Archer it’s much more severe.
I know the phrase ‘Spanish Archer’ can relate to bad Spanish vocabulary, meaning ‘the el-bow’, showing someone the door out of one’s life.
But is that all that is to it? And who is the storyteller?
Ian sings ‘The Spanish Archer’s gonna make you pay” and “The Spanish Archer’s gonna bring you down” – is he talking to himself or the lady?
It feels like a complete heartbreak 💔
Sorry if I’m not making any sense here (which unfortunately is true for most of my life 😉) and I have the hardest time explaining completely what I mean (if any of you could learn Danish in a hurry it would be so much easier ☺️) and maybe there isn’t any deeper hidden meaning in the lyric!
Maybe it’s just a lovely song made to entertain, maybe I have had too much time on my hands to dwell into DP’s music, but this song keeps living in my brains and heart, like a gnawing but sweet pain.
So any light on this would really be appreciated.
Ian Paice’s drumming is wonderful, Blackmore’s guitar playing is adorable, and Ian Gillan’s voice is charming and has its usual amazing rock sound and of course Roger Glover as always keeps a lovely balance in the song. I’m just puzzled.
Thanks for the nice pictures btw 😄
K
Liebe Frau Verndal,
here I go mansplaining what seems to me a breakup song, hardly a topic of male competence, can’t we get Taylor Swift to do a guest text analysis?
With Gillan lyrics things can move from the biographical to the abstract in the course of a sentence, but Spanish Archer seems pretty straightforward to me. He has his doubts, has lost trust and is intending to give her the elbow/Spanish archer (of course, wimmin are always to blame when relationships fail, that is at least the male default position).
That said, the line
“is there someone somewhere waiting in the wings to take my place
let’s not drag it out like a (James) Cagney death scene”
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might also apply to his then-situation in DP. It’s no secret that the enthusiasm and reunion good vibes of the Perfect Strangers phase dissipated quickly and that the recording of THOBL was already under a black cloud. Big Ian might have felt something, becoming unsure of his status in the band. He had rooted for THOBL being recorded in some urban state-of-the-art studio in NYC like The Power Station, but neither Jon (“The thought of recording in NYC fills me with dread.”) nor Ritchie would have that. So he was already miffed before he sang his first note in the sessions.
September 12th, 2024 at 23:22Ohh! Uwe, I did not know about the uncertainty for IG!
I thought everything was fine.
Women always to blame? Yeah, probably, we are intriguing creatures ☺️
By the way: who is Taylor Swift? (😉)
Thanks, K
September 13th, 2024 at 06:46The Spanish Archer indeed. Blackmore & his magic again on the guitar & the feel of the song, a spell cast, yes as he only can. The irony of the lyrics or some of them & the thread bubbling along at ‘clenching & unclenching’ in regards to management etc mishandling things, is not lost on many of us. I see The Spanish Archer as more along the lines of someone getting their comeuppance or receiving bad Karma, in some aspects. A bit similar to Smooth Dancer perhaps? Cheers.
September 13th, 2024 at 08:06The other musical similarity to 1972 Purple in The Spanish Archer is Ian Paice from about 4.20 on playing that snare attack, rat tat tat tat tat tat tat improv along with Glover on the bass. Quite a few times amongst all that improvising towards the end. Similar to the snare drum thing he did on Pictures of Home after that little break when closing out that song. Glover praises him for it on that Classic rock Machine Head dvd while he is sitting at the mixing desk. Brilliant he says & off the cuff. 15 years later he joins in repeatedly & even plays it once without Paice accompanying him. Classic Purple. Sorry I had to break that snare drum attack down to that basic lingo. It is for any bass guitarists (well one in particular) who may not understand. You know what they are like, keeping it simple etc. Not to worry, they mean well. Cheers.
September 13th, 2024 at 11:43MacGregor, thanks so much 🙌🏼
I must admit, even though I of course have dwelled upon Smooth Dancer, and it’s an amazing tune BUT I’ve never combined it with the tension between IG and RB! It makes perfectly sense now 😂 wooowah a tongue lash from IG!
I’m quite impressed that the two of them are still alive to tell about it 😉😄
And here I have thought it was all about the females in their lives…
And thank you very much for breaking it down to basic lingo in @16 😊 I’m not a musician so I’m really grateful for anything explained so I can understand it.
September 14th, 2024 at 05:58For me it’s just what it makes me feel, it’s really nice to know WHY the music makes me feel a certain way!
K
Who’s Taylor Swift you ask, liebe Karin? Just some childless American footballer‘s GF with a love for non-edible cats and a knack for getting people signed up to do the right thing.
I‘m one of her great supporters here!
Moving on to the more mundane in shape of Herr MacGregor‘s lucid drum break observations: It will please you no end that I always loved that part too which I have never heard in the shuffle of another band. ‘Rat tat tat tat tat tat tat’ indeed, I love how you drummers compensate for dearth of a paleoanthropologically more advanced vocabulary with such primal, yet highly effective (and inherently charming) onomatopoeia.
What can I say? CRASH BANG WALLOP !!!
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September 14th, 2024 at 12:13Steady on Uwe with the big words, I am getting confused here in Tasmania. Mind you I shouldn’t be as that does relate in so many ways. “Paleoanthropology or paleo-anthropology? I do prefer the second wording, a little bit of a gap between the two words makes much more sense to me. It gives me a little time to adjust before contemplating the next word. Being a (ex) drummer or someone who still enjoys hitting sticks & lumps of wood against things to makes a noise, leaves me still dwelling in no-mans land. I am glad you could relate to it. Thanks for the Animal from Sesame Street drumming tutorial. He is a classic drummer in more ways than one. Cheers.
September 14th, 2024 at 23:20@ 17 – thanks Karin, yes the Blackmore & Gillan stand off over that period has left us with quite a few classic DP songs. Because of the rivalry & or bitterness I would say. When Gillan is annoyed he expresses it in lyric and Blackmore in his guitar playing. Plenty of fire & passion in the songs at times. The Spanish Archer is a fine example of that & for me it represents the best of that lineup in many ways. Regarding the drumming talk, that is the only way I know how to explain that as many others may also. I don’t read or write music charts & if someone placed a chart in front of me & said ‘play that’, I would be doomed. But as you have probably noticed, my main concern was that Uwe would not know what I was on about, he he he. Hence his reference at comment 18 to the primordial aspects of human evolution. I do sincerely hope he doesn’t think I still dwell in a cave somewhere out here in Australia. All be it one with a computer with internet access & that I do really need to move into the 21st century instead of dwelling in the dim & distant past of primordial existence. All good fun though. Cheers.
September 14th, 2024 at 23:58Uwe, I’ve read a lot of your comments, and giggled 😄
September 15th, 2024 at 11:56And I have to say it surprises me a tiny bit that you are one of ms Taylor’s supporters!
But I’m all in for variety 😃
And ok I love to listen to Pet Shop Boys now and then (and Sweet, ELO, Fleetwood Mac and other great bands from that period of time, the great 70’s) DP does stand me closer though 🥰
K
Oh you’re a drummer 🥁 NICE!
Now listening to the Spanish Archer, everything falls into place! And of course also Smooth Dancer!
I have read somewhere about an autobiography of IG, is it a good read, or merely blah? Wanna know before I buy it 😊
September 15th, 2024 at 12:02What I mean is: if he actually wrote it himself I guess it’s really great, but did he wrote it or was there a gw in between?
Thanks, K
Karin, have you too noticed how that MacGregor guy always picks on me, drumming up sentiment against me? I caution you about any excessive mingling with him!
He did teach me a new word though, “primordial”, I had to look that up, danke! 🙏
September 15th, 2024 at 14:04Uwe as far as I can tell MacGregor is the kindest man and I guess he likes to pull your leg 😄
September 15th, 2024 at 15:37Ok guys, another tune that has been troubling me a bit!
Strangeways from The House of Blue Light.
I have been investigating the word Strangeways, and as far as I can tell Strangeways is a prison!??
Does the word have another meaning, because Google is threatening to block me completely if I keep up asking silly questions 🤓
But what does Ian G sing about in Strangeways?
F.e the first verse:
And if you want to get ahead
Get some decent clothes
The only way to make it
Dress the part
That gets right up my nose
😳 what does he mean by the last two sentences?
Please help this Danish weirdo 😑
September 15th, 2024 at 15:50Thanks, K
#22 Karin
Ian Gillan’s autobiography was written together with David Cohen who has written many books (including one about Lady Diana).
It dates back to around 1993 and is certainly a pleasant read, full of anecdotes and absolutely necessary to have a picture of the complex life that our favorite singer had.
September 15th, 2024 at 17:05What the hell is “nice” about being a drummer, Karin?! They only tend to clutter and are generally noisy – snoring sounds that go rat-tat-tat-tat-tat-tat-tat and stuff! I’m a bassist, we make for stable, reliable & conscientious relationships! 😂
The IG bio is a good, but not a brilliant read, sure it involved a co-gw as these publications tend to, but there are enough witty Gillanisms in it. And its due share of poetic license, but autobiographies are by definition subjective.
September 15th, 2024 at 18:53I try not to hate something just because it’s new. I find Taylor’s music tuneful if ever so samey; when I listen to a full album, I have issues telling the songs apart. She’s neither a great singer, nor has a great voice, but at least, thankfully, doesn’t oversing all the time, pretend to have a black voice or engage in endless melismas like so many of her female compatriots do.
I do respect her for the diligent work and preparation she puts into her presentation – very industrious – and how she herself controls her career, not a bimbo on puppet strings. She also doesn’t starve herself to death, thereby setting an unattainable precedent for her teenage fans. I find that responsible.
Many years ago – it was around the time when she made the transition from New Country wonder to Pop star (which many people at the time said was doomed to fail) – I read a lengthy ROLLING STONE interview with/article on her. The interview was conducted in a pedal boat on a small lake in Central Park, NYC, because she wanted to go outside of her apartment there for the interview, yet be by herself with the interviewer. But of course she got recognized by a group of giggling Upstate girls celebrating a birthday in NYC whose boat approached Taylor’s as they shouted if it was really her (which Taylor duly confirmed). A little chat ensued, Ms Swift asked what they intended to do with the rest of their afternoon/evening and they said “Probably go eat at McDonalds with our last dollars, NYC sure is expensive!” So Taylor proceeds to grab her wallet, takes out like a 150$ or so and reaches over from boat to boat to hand it to them with the comment: “Here, go eat somewhere nice!”
The cynic in me says, yeah, she polished her image with that chance encounter right before a rock journo. But the romantic in me whispers: “Uwe, she DID NOT HAVE TO DO THAT and could instead have her bodyguards in another pedal boat chase the birthday party girls away. But rather, she tries to make people happy.”
September 15th, 2024 at 19:39Ha ha ha Uwe. I do think it is Ian Paice’s bad influence on me all those years ago. Him telling poor ole Roger at the beginning of MKII, ‘I lead, you follow’. Cheers.
September 15th, 2024 at 21:21All drummers are alike: Sadists towards bassists and masochists towards geetar players!
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Kære fru Verndal @25 re Strangeways: Herr Gillan is anathema to sartorial convention. He wore a beard, cut his hair and wore a three-piece with latter day DP Mk II just to piss off Blackmore big time who hated all three on him, refused to wear the mandatory black leather with Black Sabbath, and has been seen wearing nothing or women’s dresses in hotel lobbies and bars around the world. Or backstage for that matter …
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So any kind of pressure to assimilate and “dress the part” (“Klæder skaber folk.”) bugs him big time and “gets up right his nose”, an annoying feeling as we all know from the COVID tests.
September 15th, 2024 at 23:11Oh, I forgot, Karin: I think Big Ian just used Strangeways as a pun, not as a real reference to His Majesty’s Prison in Manchester.
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In the song, Gillan criticizes, inter alia, dress codes, organized religion and tabloids and finds himself as always the odd man out, strange ways …
September 15th, 2024 at 23:35@26 hi Fla76,
September 16th, 2024 at 05:39Thanks so much 😊
Oh it’s from 1993! Wonder if he plans a new?
Thanks, K
@27
Uwe 😄 well as far as I’m concerned the drummer AND the bassist are the two stable anchor points in any band. None of them can’t be missed!
But Uwe, please enlighten me, with you being a bassist, was Steve Priest a good bassist?
September 16th, 2024 at 05:48I do enjoy Sweet (not the bubblegum period so much) and it seems to me SP was really good. So was Mick Tucker!
K
@28
Uwe I had no idea TS is much more a human being than she is portrayed to be in the media, so I have not been reading about her, nor listening to her music.
But you have a point: she didn’t have to be so nice to those girls!
I wonder though if it is possible at all to keep oneself sane in all this famous cheering and worshipping.
September 16th, 2024 at 05:56K
It is only the glitter & shine that gets through. Nice to see Mr Gillan in touch with his feminine side. Cheers
September 16th, 2024 at 09:07I enjoy some of Taylor Swift’s songs, well, not too much, but I do. They are well crafted in the lyric department as far as I’m concerned. The music passes me by more or less.
Anyway I prefer someone like her as a role model for the kids to – let’s say – Kayne West. Exchanging bracelets and creating an overall peaceful atmosphere of self empowerement seems a much better idea to me than spreading antisemitism and megalomania.
September 16th, 2024 at 12:55…and don’t get me wrong, Kayne West’s music is a lot more interesting than Taylor’s, no doubt. But I like my artists to make the world a better place – the older I get the more so. That is what I always liked about, say, David Coverdale – his attitude is …errr …uplifting, dare I say. Let love, light and peace restore the plan of the earth … don’t let anybody make you afraid…that kinda stuff. Give people a good time. He really bonds to his fans via social media (in fact he has answered me two times there – and no, I didn’t ask a thousand times …;-) ) – interrupted by constant advertising for his latest box set of course. 😀
September 16th, 2024 at 13:03Steve Priest was very nimble on bass, Karin. Not a man obsessing about what he exactly played to a song, there was really very little he could not do on bass, a bit like Glenn Hughes in that way, a real natural on the instrument.
Andy Scott, over all the differences he had with him, once said that Steve was the best bassist he ever played with – and also the loudest!
Sweet’s career was really a quest for development – from Bubblegum to Glam Rock to Hard Rock/proto-Heavy Metal to – in their final phase – thinking man’s 10cc’esque orchestral pop. I saw them in 1978 when they toured Level Headed with an extended line-up (second guitarist + a keyboarder), it was a sophisticated rock show, not a teenage rampage. Priest’s high pitched vocals were at that point beginning to carry more and more of the set – as their music grew more intricate, I got the impression that it started going over Brian Connolly’s head. I would see him years later, in the early 80ies, again, he was by then a wreck of a man, terrible to see and hear. And a couple of years ago I went to see Andy Scott’s Sweet which was an evening bathed in golden nostalgia, but not really comparable to the Sweet I initially saw in 1978, out to prove themselves as “serious musicians”.
September 16th, 2024 at 14:30@30,31
Thanks so much dear bassist 😊
So maybe Strangeways was meant as a prison for Ian when it has to do with conventions?
Regarding the dresses, that is beyond adorable 😅😅
September 16th, 2024 at 14:40What annoys me a lot is the fact that many men have lovelier legs than women! 😂😂
K
I’m relieved you see it that way, Karin!
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September 17th, 2024 at 01:06@38
Thanks Uwe 🙌🏼
I thought SP being really good too, but you know it’s nice to hear the expertise answer 😊
Roger Glover is my favourite bassist of the two, he is completely fantastic! The first time I really was impressed was the little solo in ‘Anyone’s daughter’ at the ‘Come hell or high water’ tour, actually the live dvd, before that I acknowledged his brilliance but it was that cute song that really caught me.
Oh yeah, it was awful to see that poor man, Brian Connolly at the end 🥺
He was completely amazing before alcohol got the power of him.
Yes Steve Priest was a good singer, but I do like(d) Andy Scott better of them all! Oh he had a wonderful voice and he was so cheeky (pigtails and his stage manners 😅)
And again, Mick Tucker was, in my inexperienced ears, at the same level as Ian P! Ian P just looked, and looks, less troubled drumming! Sometimes Mick T looked like he himself was beaten (and I don’t mean when he got that awful illness, before that).
Talking of bassists, John McVie! Can you reveal your thoughts about him?
September 17th, 2024 at 06:06K
@40
Ouch my eyes are hurting 🤣🤣
I love that RB is talking so fondly of IG!
And it’s downright hilarious the way he’s commenting on Paul McC 😄
I do like his humorous style though 🙌🏼
September 17th, 2024 at 09:45I haven’t watched Rick Beato for quite some time, however I did just now & enjoyed this. The New York Times querying if Taylor Swift is bigger than the Beatles (comical), good on you Rick. A touch of reality goes a long way. Cheers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxrwjJHXPlQ
September 17th, 2024 at 10:20@ 40 – now you have caught us out Uwe. I suppose I had better also add Ritchie to what I said about Gillan being in touch with his feminine side. Hmmmmmmmm, there could be more to their ‘differences’ than meets the eye, pun not intended. Cheers.
September 17th, 2024 at 10:59Call me a testosterone-starved wuss, Karin, but I’m no great fan of extremely forceful drumming, the Bonhams, Powells and, yes, Mick Tuckers of this world. The way Jeff Porcaro enters Rosanna or Stewart Copeland plays in Walking On The Moon impresses me much more than, say, Cozy’s dramatic entrance in Stargazer. I like drums to be elegant.
Breathtaking drumming is to me what Mark Nauseef does here:
https://youtu.be/QEiSnj7xFH8
I guess that does reveal me as a 70s style elaborate drumming fan with Herr Nauseef sounding a bit like Stewart Copeland getting abducted by Deep Purple! 😂
To me, Mick Tucker’s drumming in contrast always sounded heavy-handed. I know he was a great Ian Paice fan and tried to emulate him, but it was Andy Scott himself who said that Mick wasn’t really the type to do that and more from the Bonham school. That doesn’t mean that Mick’s drumming couldn’t be very effective on some tracks
https://youtu.be/U5oKFRsrAog
but it is essentially Bonham’esque what he does. (Herr MacGregor will no doubt correct me if I’m wrong as I habitually am.)
If truth be told, Mick’s drumming with Sweet was the thing I liked least about them, it always retained that overtly glam-rockish sound, feel and groove. But I know that his style and persona was loved by many, paradiddle in peace you man with the golden arms (gold arms are inevitably heavy!) …
https://youtu.be/ysCA0cRXFLo
John McVie is of course mainly known for his dramatic minorish run in The Chain, but there is much more to the man. The way he weaves here through the chorus chords of Go Your Own Way at 00:33 is a master class in melodic bass playing.
https://youtu.be/l_kPxut3yiw
His choice of notes and groove is in fact quite similar to what Roger does. Tasteful and slightly introspective. I see the appeal of that, but the adolescent in me is sometimes more attracted to Glenn Hughes’s attention-grabbing gung-ho bass riffing and hilarious fills jerking the beat around.
Mick Fleetwood is btw another drummer I like. A percussionist, not a basher.
September 17th, 2024 at 15:42@45
Oh woah Uwe, you really send me on a music-orientation cruise! 😊
Maybe I just like Mick Tucker because he looked so cute (yeah I know I know 🤓😄, I’m not a goofy teenage girl anymore, but please look at him!) and I love the way he was twirling his drumstick! I have tried and tried with a knitting needle, but just can’t get the hang of it! 😅 my sweetheart offered to buy me real drumsticks to practise with, but then I told him that I need the drum-set to go with it, and then he withdraw his offer (he does have a wonderful sense of humour but he likes to get his sleep at night 😅)
Well back to the serious stuff:
Like you I prefer the drummer to be a percussionist not a basher (very well put btw 😊) and I see your point regarding Mick T and Ian P!
Mick Fleetwood is amazing, true, but hey even though he is that, he certainly isn’t any Ian P!
Ohh so that’s why I like John McVie, now I have been relistening to’The Chain’ I completely get what you mean. I will now pay way more attention to him listening to Fleetwood Mac!
To me Fleetwood Mac always will be the band with all the heartbreaks and maybe because I’m not in any way are able to play any instrument other than a remote control (sigh) I tend to let my perception and understanding of music be cluttered by all the non-music parts. Sadly but true.
The concert from the late 90’s, with Fleetwood Mac, the Dance I believe it’s called, let John McVie shine I think.
Of course Christine McVie was adorable and a wonderful singer/songwriter 🌹 And I’m in awe of Lindsey Buckingham’s way of playing the guitar!
Actually from that concert Stevie Nicks was singing the wonderful Silver Springs, and I guess Ian Gillan singing that with his blues-inspired voice would be completely magical! (Would be a bit like Hunted from Bananas I guess)
I would love to get that one wish fulfilled…
Well back to reality – thanks so much for this very interesting tour of bassists, drummers and the difference between them 🤗
September 17th, 2024 at 17:59K
@ 46 – Karin that is a really good way to ‘entice’ your partner into buying you a drum kit. A nice try, I like that approach & shame it didn’t work, but 10 points for the effort, he he he. @ 45- whoah & steady on Uwe, that is a bit too much ‘bashing’ in one comment, sheesh, I am reeling indeed. Those poor drummers again eh, the bashing type that is, oh dear, not to worry, at least they tried. I don’t mind though, it can & has been a influence at times for me, the heavy handed approach! There is more than one way to skin a cat. And besides, it can work rather well when putting a bass guitarist ‘in their place’. Cheers
September 17th, 2024 at 22:49I’ve seen Fleetwood Mac twice in concert. Once without Christine (while she was taking her hiatus) and once with her, the tickets cost me a king’s ransom in row seven or what it was, but man that second gig was spectacular, Buckingham probably drives you mad if you have to share a band with him, but man he is a mesmerizing borderliner live …
The gig without Christine was great too, but without her very English Rose pop touch and voice, something is missing with the Mac, it becomes a Lindsey/Stevie drama, those always quarreling Yanks! 😎
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gEMurltaJU
September 18th, 2024 at 00:29@47
September 18th, 2024 at 07:34Thanks for the 10 points MacGregor 😄😄
Well I guess he is thinking of our poor neighbours who are finally getting used to the loud music from our house, but I guess their patience would be on trial if I added drumming noises (which in my case it certainly would be) to the beautiful sounds of Deep Purple 😃
K
Uwe I have been told that especially bassists are making so much money that I do not feel sorry for you buying decent tickets 😄
That’s the charm not knowing anyone in any band personally, I can just enjoy their efforts without thinking about their faults, should there be any!
But I guess it is true about Lindsey Buckingham, at least Fleetwood Mac got the Spanish Archer after him (or how it is said ☺️)
Maybe Deep Purple would be interested in adding another guitarist to their ensemble? I have heard Lindsey B is free on the market.
Yesterday evening we saw some very old live performances with Episode Six! Oh boy Ian Gillan and Roger Glover were young and cute, and seemed very professional already at that age! (May have been from ‘66)
September 18th, 2024 at 07:54It was a bit hard to recognise any later Deep Purple in them 😄
K
Maybe I’m in the wrong thread here, but please forgive me then ☺️
September 18th, 2024 at 08:47It’s regarding if Deep Purple is a heavy band or not, I saw an interview with some of the band members, an old one, and Roger Glover commented on the question whether they are or are not heavy in any sense: I think we are more like country&western 😉
With that comment I remember someone – also a journalist of a kind – saying that Sweet’s Wig Wam Bam was their first heavy metal song! 🤣
Well ok then…
K
Mark Nauseef! Now we’re talking! IGB live at the Budokan is an all time fave here … and Mark’s drumming is a big part of it. So underrated. But I do skip SOTW most of the time though it was a brave attempt.
There is interesting solo work of the man as well.
September 18th, 2024 at 09:23I find that whole discussion about whether DP is rock, hard rock, heavy rock or heavy metal moot, you can’t really delineate in a foolproof way between the different genres, it’s very much “I know it when I hear it”. Sure SOTW, Highway Star, Burn and Stormbringer check the boxes of what can also be considered heavy metal.
Wig Wam Ban wasn’t the first heavy metal song by far, but it was the first one where Sweet moved from bubblegum to glammy hard rock/pop and also the first single A-side for them from the Chinn Chapman stable on which they were allowed to play themselves. All previous hits up to then were played by session cracks as was usual with singles artists at the time. It wasn’t that Sweet couldn’t play, it was that no one would let them.
Max, I have one of Nauseef’s solo albums, not overtly commercial I dare say, even by IGB standards and with a black Irishman singing something other than Whiskey In The Jar! 😂
https://youtu.be/xgOWOwP6VWY
But he is/was one hell of a drummer and all-round percussionist. As his career progressed, he moved more and more into the esoteric spheres of Ethno/World Music, also a return to his Arab roots I guess.
September 18th, 2024 at 14:16#33 Karin
in my opinion Sweet, even if they played Glam rock, were perhaps the band closest to the MKII style
Andy Scott for me was absolutely (voluntarily or not) the guitarist closest to Blackmore style. The same goes for Mick Tucker close to Ian Paice style.
My ears tell you, Sweet were unknowingly Deep Purple in glam rock version!
but the incredible things in the history of hard rock are like the fact that in Wainwright’s Gentlemen in 1965 Ian Gillan left and was replaced by Brian Futuri Sweet.
Incredibile!
It’s a bit blasphemous, but only the history of rock can compete with the Bible!
one of my biggest musical regrets is never having been able to see Fleetwood Mac with Stevie who I think is the greatest female rock voice of all time.
September 18th, 2024 at 21:43her every syllable, her every note, is pure magic.
Sweet were avid DP fans, no doubt (they always admitted as much; so were members of Status Quo in the 70ies), and Andy Scott especially worshiped at Ritchie’s altar and had a similar style. But unlike Purple, who did it naturally without thinking, Sweet couldn’t swing to save their life. If they were Deep Purple, then several notches dumbed down and quite a bit more angular/heavy-handed. Let’s not get carried away.
And I really liked Sweet (and always defended them in school where they were deemed teenybopper fodder) or I wouldn’t have gone to one of their gigs in 1978 (when I was already 17 and thus older than their key audience at the time).
Another thing were Brian Connolly’s vocals (even before he got his throat kicked in during that fateful bar room brawl): Yes, his voice was recognizable and he had a bit of a peroxide-street urchin charisma to him, but an Ian Gillan, David Coverdale, Glenn Hughes, Paul Rodgers, Robert Plant or Freddie Mercury he wasn’t. His range and his expression were limited and he was vocally largely a one- or two-trick-pony (his hard rock bellow + his pop voice), bolstered in great part by Scott’s and Priest’s skillful backing vocals plus the Sweet-typical ultra-falsetto layered extra vocal tracks which were artificially speeded up in the studio and could not be (and were not ever) replicated live. I know: I saw and heard them live.
That doesn’t mean that they didn’t play good music, the extended album version of Love Is Like Oxygen with its very Oldfield’ish middle part (@ 03:07) and the Climax Blues Band’esque funky coda (@ 06:02)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc1sgCT7X2c
is one of my favorite rock tracks ever though by that time they were more trying to sound like 10cc than Deep Purple.
September 18th, 2024 at 23:04This is something interesting I found on Mark Nauseef
https://www.furious.com/perfect/marknauseef.html,
never knew that he played with fledgling Rainbow when they were no longer Elf, but had not yet recorded as Ritchie Blackmore‘s Rainbow. So after Steve Edwards, the guitarist, Mark was the second Elf to fall by the wayside from Blackers‘ poaching – it somehow figures that Ritchie would in 1975 not want a percussionist (as Mark was in Elf who already had a drummer with Gary Driscoll) in his new band.
Nauseef‘s percussion work on Jon Lord’s Sarabande was also great, his intro to Bourée is one of the album‘s highlights.
https://youtu.be/3Tb3hCEvIOo
September 19th, 2024 at 06:09@ 50 – “That’s the charm not knowing anyone in any band personally, I can just enjoy their efforts without thinking about their faults, should there be any!”
September 19th, 2024 at 06:43A good way to be Karin. I often think that in regards to Roger Waters & my penchant for Pink Floyd. As he has become incredibly annoying over the last 35 years or so since he left the band. Sometimes while listening I do think, ‘this guy’, who let him into the building. It will never stop me enjoying the Floyd though & as we know he is or was a critical member. Ritchie is a saint compared to Roger the Dodger. Saint Ritchie, hmmmmmmmmm, that has a ring to it I must say. I might set up a go fund me account so we can all have him enshrined when he sheds off his mortal coil. Donations will be mandatory of course, so there is NO escape for any anti Ritchie fans here. Pay up or be doomed & any financial proceeds left over will be contributed to buying a castle of some sort somewhere. Probably in Germany, just so we can keep an eye on Uwe. To invoke that Clannad song ‘no matter where Uwe goes, we will find Uwe. Cheers.
@57
MacGregor, I didn’t knew that about Roger Waters!
When I was in high school we went deep, you know DEEEEP into The Wall! I was a very easily impressionable young girl, and I had nightmares weeks, months actually, after. With that in mind, I’ve been avoiding Pink Floyd like it was creepy spiders (eww 😖)
My sweetheart has a very broad music taste, and I have learned a lot from him, but even he hasn’t been able to talk me into a more in-depth listen to Pink Floyd.
I guess that’s why I prefer the more bouncy rocking tunes with fun lyrics like Deep Purple because oh boy The Wall was so depressing!
Saint Ritchie 😄😆
Mandatory donations you say!
Couldn’t we talk a simple knighthood instead 🤓
September 19th, 2024 at 11:47K
@54
Fla76 you ought to check out Episode Six, starring Ian Gillan and Roger Glover on YouTube!
There is nothing there that makes any promises for the later Deep Purple, except Ian’s dimples 😃
But it’s really fun listening to them, and seeing them, because they are quite young but appear rather professional 😊
I guess the music scene in England at that period of time was rather diminutive so musicians and singers had to cross ways ☺️
September 19th, 2024 at 12:11K
@53
September 19th, 2024 at 12:24Uwe I get what you mean here 😊
But I guess that the ‘real’ heavy metal has nothing at all to do with Deep Purple imo.
I’m not at all into heavy metal, death metal or what ever it is pronounced, I just can’t stand it, it makes my skin crawl! 😝
How ever Deep Purple has the joie de vivre that I love so much. And yes the bass and drums are maybe a little heavy handed but nothing like ‘proper’ metal 😊
I remember an old interview where Ian G said something like this: it’s you journalists that come up with the metal designations not us!
K
And I thought Ritchie wanted to be entombed in a German castle? Close to a lake and with an eternal flame at his burial site – smoke on the water – from a funeral pyre continuously fed by Marshalls and Strats – with the occasional maiden thrown in for good measure. Seances calling him could be held twice a day (extra shows on weekends) for the devotees, veterans‘ and senior citizens‘ discounts available.
September 19th, 2024 at 12:24Hi Guys 😊
September 19th, 2024 at 14:20Maybe you have discussed this already! But have you come across The Charismatic Voice on YT? It’s a brilliant opera-Singer, Elizabeth Zharoff, and it’s a pleasure to hear her decipher Deep Purple, and especially Ian Gillan’s way of singing.
She certainly knows her way around singing 😊
K
@61
September 19th, 2024 at 15:54..with the occasional maiden thrown in for good measure…
Uwe you are a very very funny guy 😄😄
Karin, not only have we heard of the “I can wrinkle my nose real cute”-influenceress, but our Admins here have deemed it fit to spoil us repeatedly in the past with “The Charismatic Voice’s” profound findings (and extremely limited knowledge of rock music history).
She certainly has her fans here, but my attitude to her is more like Lucy’s to Charlie Brown successfully kicking a football.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTZz5BaQ7PM8oR8cGUu-Lnpt6-f3_4Q2i2d2Q&s
With her, uhum, overtly expressive facial gyrations I could have envisaged a great career for Lizzie in the era of silent movies!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=xNSCoOoCV8s
(a great movie btw)
But don’t listen to an old curmudgeon like me!
September 19th, 2024 at 16:08@64
🤣🤣 I really dig your comments dear Uwe
Well I do find her cute and charming but that’s not why I love to hear her comments. I have learned so much from her!
F.i I did not know that Ian Gillan had so much talent! Please do not misunderstand me! I know he is a very skilled singer, but I somehow imagined he just opened his mouth and was really happy of the 🎶 that come out 😂 Thanks to Elizabeth I have discovered how much work there is behind his brilliant singing.
And the way Elizabeth commented on Silver Springs and the drama between Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham! So interesting 😊
Btw: the drama! Isn’t it what have made it so thrilling to witness the performances Nicks/Buckingham and Gillan/Blackmore?
September 19th, 2024 at 20:09Will Nicks finally spit on Buckingham? Will Blackmore throw more water at Gillan (or the photographer!)?
Actually when Steve Morse took over, a tiny part of me expected the concerts and the albums to be a tiny bit more blah, that certainly did not happen! But wasn’t it the drama that fuelled the performances?
I guess all this have been discussed thoroughly over time, but I’ve just recently found you, so bare with me ☺️
K
@ 58 – you went in at the deep end there Karin, not a good way to be introduced to the Floyd & Waters mad rantings etc. Not all Pink Floyd is like that at all, but it sounds like your partner has already attempted that with you. Maybe he should be given a Knighthood for trying, he he he. A Knighthood for Ritchie, Hooray! What a splendid idea, excellent- SIR Ritchie, a brilliant idea. Rise Sir Ritchie, yes I can see that & do like it. There will be a few here that will not like that, but that is the way with Knighthoods. Especially if they have to start to bow & curtsy to him, he he he he. Cheers.
September 19th, 2024 at 21:11@ 61 – ha ha ha. “The sky is red, I don’t understand
September 19th, 2024 at 23:08Past midnight I still see the land, People are saying the man is damned
He makes you burn with a wave of his hand.
The city’s ablaze, the town’s on fire
The man’s flames are reaching higher
We were fools, we called him a liar
All we hear is, “Burn”………………….
Continuing on & I cannot believe I left these two lines out:
September 19th, 2024 at 23:16“I didn’t believe he was the devil’s sperm
He said, “Curse you all, you’ll never learn
When I leave there’s no return ”
The people laughed till he said, “Burn”
Warning came, no one cared
Earth was shaking’, we stood and stared
When it came, no one was spared
Still I hear, “Burn”…………………….
@66
September 20th, 2024 at 12:39I sure was at the very deep end!
MacGregor can you guide me a little bit into Pink Floyd?
Where to start after I was burned so badly 😖
Or is it better I stay with DP that are so very much soothing 💜😃
K
Speaking of, if Pink Floyd had played Child In Time, it would have sounded like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-euL2mR7N3A
That was my first thought when I heard IGB’s version in 1976: Is this Pink Floyd playing with a bit of Santana thrown in? 🤣 Roger, who had produced the album, must have given Alan Parson’s work on Dark Side Of The Moon an appreciative listen.
And Ray Fenwick, always a fine musician, could do a very convincing David Gilmour me thinks.
To top it off , the second, likewise lengthy track following IGB’s very good take of CIT sounded like Floyd too! With perhaps even a bit more Santana thrown in. 😉
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGSLgGhtZNw
The Ian Gillan/John Gustafson joint vocals are rarely mentioned when IGB is discussed, but they were as one-of-a-kind as what DC and Glenn Hughes did. Or Jon Anderson and Chris Squire for that matter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgAL4zdMnJA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF1Fw4oEMXA
Thrilling stuff, Big Ian has never had as good a co-singer again.
September 20th, 2024 at 16:15@70
Ok Uwe, I guess I see what you’re getting at.
I have to admit it’s somehow charming, but oh boy I’m way much more into rock!
It’s a bit too avantgarde for me ☺️
I guess Ian Gillan didn’t stayed with the band for long, because as far as I remember he started Gillan right after the Ian Gillan Band.
September 20th, 2024 at 19:21What I know about him from his music, this really does not sound like him. He is much more a rock’n’roll guy.
I do know and deeply appreciate his Dreamcatcher album, and also the other solo albums he has made, but they are nothing like this.
Guess that’s why I have never listened to the Ian Gillan Band for real.
Some coffee may be in order now 😉
K
#68 MacGregor
.curiosity: I have always loved in my head to associate Burn’s phrases with these other historical phrases:
My heart is black and my lips are cold
Cities on flame with rock and roll
Three thousand guitars, they seem to cry
Etc…
although the Spanish archer should be a common A minor or D minor, but I think it has some dissonances that make the atmosphere very dramatic (and that probably captured Karin’s feeling so much)
there is also something baroque inside.
speaking of Pink Floyd, every time I listen to the Spanish Arcere, “Une Of These Days” always comes to my mind… maybe because of the bass rhythm and some work on the Synth by Lord…
I don’t think it’s because of the harmony, because honestly, to my ear, that of Pink Floyd seems much more banal than that of Purple
One of These Days is a banal ((I say banal, but Pink Floyd and other sacred monsters were very good at making songs with 2-3 chords) instrumental chromaticism-ostinato as a background for non-sensational solos, but the whole arrangement creates a unique atmosphere as the Floyd knew how to do masterfully.
September 20th, 2024 at 23:01I definitely prefer to enjoy the adventurous Spanish archer, than to get bored halfway through the song with the beautiful One of These Days
Fla76 @ 72 – yes indeed the Spanish Archer does have that ‘eastern’ feel to it with Blackmore’s guitar, one of his many wonderful traits as a musician. Regarding song format & as Ian Gillan sings on the opening of the Now What album, A Simple Song. Nice & quaint a melody it’s beginning is, then a cacophony of instruments delivering the bombast of rock music, then ending where it all began, nice & quietly. An excellent song indeed. There are so many simple songs, that is the key to their success, nice & easy & pretty in melody. Pink Floyd are masters of simplicity & space. Not too complicated & yet incredibly melodic. Good musical atmosphere created between the vocal delivery of songs, linking everything together & weaving in & out. Some people like it, some do not. I have to reply to Karin’s request to some of Pink Floyd’s more accessible earlier music, however she may get some idea from this comment, I will reply to her request shortly. I do really like the track One Of These Days. Two bass guitars playing off each other, ostinato it is, one played by Gilmour the other by Waters with some delay or vice versa. It is an instrumental track with only a short spoken word line at the very beginning from Nick Mason, a studio enhanced vocal. The track itself is a tour de force live in concert (it blew the roof off in 1988) as it also is at the beginning of the Meddle album. Gilmour’s lap or pedal steel guitar soars throughout the stratosphere, like Gilmour’s guitar solo’s often do. Pink Floyd like a few other bands out there, are a sonic experience as you say. I wouldn’t call Gilmour’s guitar solo ‘non sensational’, but each to their own. I am glad you like the Floyd’s whole arrangement & unique atmosphere. They are in a cosmos of their own I do believe. I had the pleasure of witnessing Floyd live in 1988. The most dramatic & sound immersive concert I have ever attended. Surreal in it’s delivery. Thanks for your comment. Now to try & convince Karin to dip her toes into the Floyd cauldron. Cheers.
September 21st, 2024 at 00:34@ 69 – thanks Karin, I can attempt to guide you for ‘soothing’ Floyd music & it sounds like you like the standard length rock style song format, following your comment at 71. Although I do have that enduring image of you twirling those knitting needles & possibly getting a little annoyed, so I do hope I get this right, otherwise I am doomed, he he he. Seriously though I won’t go into the real early Floyd experimental & avant-garde music. Within their concept albums there are shorter & also lengthier songs, however they segue into each other, joined at the hip so to speak. The later 60’s to early 70’s Floyd may be more to your liking, possibly. There are a few rockier songs & some folkish pastoral style acoustic songs. The two movie soundtrack albums, More & Obscured by Clouds contain these. They are not concept albums, so every song & instrumental stands on it’s own. Some good softer songs & some nice rock songs. Side one of the Meddle album following the One of These Days instrumental has shorter acoustic style songs, side two has one song only at 23 minutes in length. Classic Floyd to aficionados, but not to people who like their songs short & sweet, so to speak. Any of the albums from The Dark Side of the Moon onwards are concept albums & may not be to your liking. Although Wish You Were Here is very accessible for a concept album with milder rock with very good melodies & lyrics & it is many peoples favourite album, including both band members David Gilmour & Richard Wright. It does contain lengthier instrumental passages, but rather nice in their delivery. Not an abrasive dark album at all or aggressive in content as The Wall & Animals albums. I hope that is some form of a guide to nicer Floyd music for you. The internet is wonderful for all this curiosity of hearing certain music, good luck. Cheers.
September 21st, 2024 at 02:01Finally, Fla76 quotes BÖC/Albert Bouchard, my work is done here.
History shows again and again how nature points out the folly of men – go go Godzilla!
September 21st, 2024 at 06:23@74
Thank you so much 😊
I will immediately give ‘Wish you were here’ a listen!
Maybe I should have mentioned that I also really like Dan Baird and his kind of music! Both his Homemade Sin, his solo period but also Georgia Satellites 😃
I mean: I love Deep Purple’s music, I like Dan Baird’s!
You’re never doomed 😄 I’m really grateful for your kind help.
September 21st, 2024 at 17:37K
Is that where those lyrics are from, BOC. I forgot to ask Fla76 yesterday when I was replying to the Floyd & Purple comment. I do remember a friend had the Some Enchanted Evening live album & played it to beyond the realm of death. Late 1970’s from my memory. I didn’t mind it, plenty of passion in their delivery of hard rock ‘n roll. Don’t Fear the Reaper also springs to my mind. Not a bad memory to have. Having a listen now for the first time in………………..app 45 years. Cheers.
September 21st, 2024 at 21:59@74
Ok, now I’ve heard ‘Wish you were here’ several times, and it’s beautiful music, nothing at all like the shock wave I got from ‘the Wall’!
David Gilmour has a beautiful voice, the lyric is all very touching, but I’m left nailed to the floor 🥺
The dynamic and ‘bouncy’ sentiment, the pure joy, the glint in the eye I get from Deep Purple is completely lacking here.
After I did listen to it, I had to, no needed to, hear Lucille from Made in Japan, SOTW, Show Me and Lazy Sod very loud several times 😂
But thank you so much for the suggestions 🙌🏼
September 22nd, 2024 at 06:41K
@ 78 – no worries Karin. When you said this morning you liked Dan Baird & Georgia Satellites I had a listen & yes that & Purple are very different to Floyd. That is the good thing about diversity though, plenty of options available for everyone. I used to own a George Thorogood & the Destroyers album a long time ago. Very rockabilly at times & of course the blues was his main trip. One Bourbon, one Scotch & one beer was one song on that album. Rory Gallagher I am a follower of, good rock and blues & also rockabilly at times. Similar vibe to Baird in that regards although Baird, Georgia Satellites sound a little more country rock ‘n roll blues than Rory. All good rock ‘n roll though. When I am in a different mood I listen to other genres of music, depending on the craving at the time. Thanks for the feedback. Cheers.
September 22nd, 2024 at 10:27@79
I know exactly what you mean: different moods require often different genres of music 😊
I’m just wired in my head (and heart) that when I’m happy and feeling really good, I love rock 😊
When I’m a bit down I love rock 😊
The few times in my life where I’ve been heartbroken, indeed I’ve loved rock too 😊
But I also like some classical tunes, I’m a sucker for Tchaikovsky’s b minor piano concerto, his ballet suites and almost all Beethoven’s music, yeah fi the Moonlight sonata)
I also like Sweet, Dan Baird and Fleetwood Mac very much, and have a penchant to Jeff Lynne, he has a lovely voice and have made wonderful music through the years.
But not one of them can measure up to Ian Gillan and the rest of Deep Purple!
I was asked by a friend what it is about DP that is so good!
Well, it’s everything!
When I hear other bands or singers, it’s like when they are making a song, when it’s over it is finished, done, nothing lives on in my mind or heart.
But DP and IG, they have this certain quality that I cannot explain in English 😊 in Danish I can 😅
My sweetheart recognise GT and the Destroyers, and also of course RG. He has just played some songs for me, One Bourbon, One Scotch and One Beer, and also Bad to the Bone and Howling for my baby 😃
By the way, regarding the Gallagher name, and I guess like the rest I’m writing in here it’s yesterday’s news, but what are your sentiments regarding Oasis and their surprising get together comeback?
September 22nd, 2024 at 16:28I wonder how long time it’ll take this time before they walk away from each other! Or do time really make a difference? 😃
K
I think Oasis are entertaining, but they’re not the Beatles even though they steal from them copiously. I’ve seen them twice. I like their later albums, Standing On The Shoulders Of Giants
https://youtu.be/-6X0rOC32AA
and Heathen Chemistry
https://youtu.be/9YU94V1q4c8
especially. I’m too much of an Anglophile to not be in some way charmed and amused by the forever adolescent laddishness of the Gallagher Bros. I remember seeing a documentary about Liam Gallagher by coincidence a while ago and what I really liked was the way he interacted with his then already young adult sons. Everybody knows that the Gallaghers had daddy-issues or rather no-daddy-issues and watching Liam give his best to be a responsible and caring parent made me think that he must have learned a lesson or two from his fatherless childhood.
September 22nd, 2024 at 22:32@ 80 – regarding Oasis, incredibly predictable Karin, the much wanted reunion by promotors, bankers & record company moguls. Another get back together reunion to line all their pockets and some. They tried it with Pink Floyd & Led Zeppelin about 15 years or so ago. REM will be the next cab off the rank although they recently said it will ‘never’ happen. The old saying springs to mind, ‘never say never’. Unfortunately money rules the world. That is all it is. Oh I forgot, there is music involved isn’t there & a touch of soap opera sibling rivalry, that should get Netflix or someone of that ilk excited. What was that saying that banking mogul said regarding Jimi Hendrix, ‘there is money to be made out of all this noise, and lots of it’. Regarding Oasis the band, ha ha ha (sorry, you did ask what my sentiments were about it all). I am not a fan at all. I did hear plenty of it back in the day. It wasn’t bad, just not to my liking as it sounded like something we had heard before somewhere, if you know what I mean. Most people will be wondering how long it lasts, especially the financial people, they will be a little nervous I would think. Will Noel & Liam tear each other apart before anything musical actually happens. Time will tell, stay tuned for another exciting episode, same bat time, same bat channel. Cheers.
September 23rd, 2024 at 06:26@81
I’ll never forget when they appeared first time! So fresh, so not caring (well later on I had a suspicion that was just for show!) and at the same time so urging for having a voice, and then it all collapsed because of stupid boyish pride and confusion!
(Father or no father, they were both above age and ought to have known better! They had responsibilities for their band members, their families, their fans – ok never mind the fans, they are independent people too, but they ought to have brought their act together and have continued making beautiful music:!)
I will be very much surprised indeed if they manage to control their temper this time ☺️
No, the Beatles they are certainly not!
‘Hindu times’ are among the favourites, and ‘the Shock of Lightning’, and ‘Songbird’ of course 🥰
September 23rd, 2024 at 07:11I really appreciate Liam’s way of pronouncing ‘sun’, with emphasis on the prolonged ‘U’ ☺️
Have a great day 👋🏼
K
@82
September 23rd, 2024 at 08:19Well 😂 apparently on X there is a funny story about Liam G who is ranting crazy at people who don’t enjoy his ‘angelic’ voice (according to himself) (from his concert this Saturday)
What will happen I wonder when big bro Noel no longer will take his unpleasantness 🙄
K
Karin, thanks for mentioning Dan Baird. The man deserves it. Gimme Baird before Floyd anytime. 😉 While we’re at it: Did you hear of Cody Canada? With Cross Canadian Ragwood or The Departed. You might like that too.
When it comes to Gallagher …it’s Rory for me.
September 23rd, 2024 at 10:17@82
It’s funny how I always seem to completely forget about the dreadful yet indispensable money people 😄
Do you think there would be people around ready to act out their awful behaviour to make ‘something’ up for Netflix? 😆
Well maybe!
I never understand how come people with tremendous talent so hard try to ruin everything 😳
September 23rd, 2024 at 10:32K
Mr. MacGregor … I hate to say it but I guess you are right. Hell freezes over was the term the Eagles used … at least they had the humor to call their comeback-album that a couple of years later. Went to see The Black Crowes the other day, very simular to Oasis …two brothers that had nothing good to say about each other for years, tried several solo projects, none of them got anywhere and all of a sudden they had buried the hatchet and teamed up again for, you guessed it, a tour of their most successful album to date and after that a greatest hits tour. At least they did record a new album and played some songs off it as well. On stage they were just going though the motions, it was more of a good cover band, the Robinson brothers would not look at each other during the whole show. They played ok but it left a bitter taste.
September 23rd, 2024 at 16:13@85
Max you’re right, he is completely amazing!
Btw: he is giving a concert in Malmø the 4. and 5. October!
Yours truly has tickets for Friday the 4th ☺️☺️
Cody Canada – I’ve never heart of him before, but I see a similarity between that and Dan Baird 😊
September 23rd, 2024 at 17:44Thanks
K
I hear Slade
https://youtu.be/qysk6IgeFmQ
when I hear Oasis and since I love Slade so much that rubs off on the Gallaghers.
Noel’s favorite song is after all this here:
https://youtu.be/iugEDEbw04Y
When you listen to Jim Lea’s (the musical brain of Slade) solo stuff, it becomes clear real quick that both Noel and Liam have patterned their songwriting after him:
https://youtu.be/U_OylFd5fXc
And Slade’s music, when they were not doing their rabble-rousing stompers, but playing more ballady stuff (in which they excelled!), owed of course a real lot to The Beatles – which they never denied.
https://youtu.be/gKOnOP04F6o
The attack on the Gallaghers for getting together just for the filthy lucre strikes me as hypocritical – I’m not aware of any notable and lasting reunion in the history of pop/rock that was NOT (also) money-driven. Last I heard, Jon certainly didn’t leave Whitesnake, Big Ian not BS, Little Ian not Gary Moore and Roger and Ritchie did not dump Rainbow to earn LESS with a reunified Purple! 🤗
And when Jon back in his Whitesnake days in the early 80ies still denied any intent to reunify Purple because “it would only be for the money”, adding that he might be prepared to do a one-off concert for charity, across the pond an amused Roger Glover as a member of Rainbow could not help himself but scoff sardonically: “I love Jon, but I don’t believe for a minute that he OF ALL PEOPLE would get Purple together if there was no money involved”.
It’s not only the Gallaghers who like to earn a quid, you know.
September 23rd, 2024 at 19:05Pink Floyd allegedly ‘knocked back’ 250 million in 2005 (they reformed for Live 8 for no other reason than that one off appearance). Led Zeppelin were in the same scenario with their one off concert in 2007. The filth, you know who I am talking about, didn’t stop there, they never do, do they? However blood is thicker than water with the Gallagher brothers. I guess they are hoping to ‘bond’ again in some sort of family ritual. Pink Floyd’s brilliant Have a Cigar song from 1974. Roger Waters & his cynicism, I wonder why? Cheers.
Come in here, dear boy, have a cigar, you’re gonna go far
September 23rd, 2024 at 23:00You’re gonna fly, you’re never gonna die
You’re gonna make it if you try, they’re gonna love you
Well, I’ve always had a deep respect and I mean that most sincere
The band is just fantastic, that is really what I think
Oh, by the way, which one’s pink?
And did we tell you the name of the game, boy?
We call it riding the gravy train………………………..
We’re just knocked out, we heard about the sell-out
You gotta get an album out, you owe it to the people
We’re so happy we can hardly count
Everybody else is just green, have you seen the chart?
It’s a hell of a start, it could be made into a monster
If we all pull together as a team
And did we tell you the name of the game, boy?
We call it riding the gravy train……………….
@89
September 24th, 2024 at 07:24Of course you’re right Uwe, music is financed of money, but maybe some people just would like if it was of a more innocent nature, if musicians got together just for the fun of it ☺️
In the very charming song Space Truckin’ the lyrics are supposed to be: we’ve been around the Borealis I guess, but at the CHOHW live dvd it sounds like Ian is singing: we’ve been around the boring Alice. Is it my ears that are fooling me?
September 24th, 2024 at 07:28K
Uwe, of course our boys did it for the money. And the openly said so. Even in one of the first meetings with the press. But they were on fire doing it, delivering a nice reunion album and ace shows. It was only later that bad moods started creeping in again. Whereas some other bands seem to do it ONLY for the money, not coming up with new songs and being unable to see eye to eye on stage.
September 24th, 2024 at 09:11I have no issues with gravy trains being ridden – you’re silly if you don’t hop on board. Deep Purple were never silly.
And Roger Waters never forgave himself for becoming popular even though he also craved it. Currently, he at least does a credible and sincere job dismantling his own pedestal. 😁
September 24th, 2024 at 10:29Max, if you’ve ever been to an Oasis gig where the two brothers were miffed with each other (there was always a good chance of that happening!), you will have no doubt enjoyed the tangible atmosphere of an impending stage fist fight! Oasis didn’t play gigs just for the money, they sometimes played them because they hated each other, but still wanted to show the other guy who’s more important. If that isn’t heartfelt idealism, I don’t know what is! 😁
https://64.media.tumblr.com/415201bb7bc4b2526b28b8fee8f1f579/d30a77a7a3b63df3-24/s1280x1920/479e5c0fcafbbe2032a818a1f4920eaf26ff46cb.jpg
September 24th, 2024 at 17:16@ 94 – all Roger Waters was saying was to be careful who you are dealing with & also what you sign up for. The ‘machine’ the one that prints money, was well into it’s agenda well before 1974. Crafty lyrics indeed & so true. Others have also mentioned it. So many didn’t even know about it & at the same time they were signing their life (career) away. @ 95 – that endearing image. I wonder if the tongue will venture a little further this time. Ouch. Cheers.
September 24th, 2024 at 22:50Uwe, I never expected musicians to do what they do out of pure idealism – in fact those who do so suck most of the times. You know that lyrics-with-a-message-syndrom … So good pay for good work is very fine with me. But I want them to do the good work.
I never been to an Oasis show. Just wasn’t interested enough to pay for it I have to admit.
But I been to Italy. Rolling into Anzio to take a closer look at the ruins of Nero’s palace at the beach I did not believe my eyes: A huge painting of a face greeted from one of the larger houses of Anzio. I said to my sons: Ah look at that, funny, the guy looks like Roger Waters. And Roger Waters it was! I found out he is honorary citizen of Anzio. Now hold on … another honorary citizen of Anzio to this day is … drum roll here … Benito Mussolini! 😀 Now if that isn’t a match I don’t know what is.
September 26th, 2024 at 16:14