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Born under a bad sign

Music Radar has a short piece on the history of Whitesnake’s first UK hit — Fool For Your Loving:

As Coverdale said: “Bernie had done an interview with BB, whom we all adored, and he asked us to write something for him. He loved what we’d done with Ain’t No Love In The Heart Of The City – as did Bobby Bland, by the way.”

Coverdale and Marsden wrote Fool For Your Loving with Whitesnake’s other guitarist Micky Moody during sessions for the band’s third studio album Ready An’ Willing.

They wrote the song with King in mind, but after cutting a demo they had second thoughts.

As Coverdale recalled: “When we listened back to the demo of Fool For Your Loving, we agreed we should keep it. Sorry, B.B.!”

The article continues with a similar anecdote, as Is This Love off the 1987 album was originally written with Tina Turner in mind, but was deemed to be too good to be given away.

Thanks to Music Radar for the info.



79 Comments to “Born under a bad sign”:

  1. 1
    Uwe Hornung says:

    I could have seen Is This Love working very well with Tina, it doesn‘t take much imagination. Not so sure of Fool For Your Loving for BB King though, too many notes to sing, it would have been more fitting for Paul Rodgers or Bad Company, it owes a small debt to Free‘s Wishing Well in any case.

    Jim Lea of Slade liked FFYL too. A lot. So much he felt inspired to write this by his own admission with the Whitesnake number in mind (Slade had been opening for WS):

    https://youtu.be/FO6JsPr51-0

    The parallels are obvious, though the Slade number is rockier and has less of a blues groove. But harmonies and quite a few of the arrangement ideas are lifted straight from WS. There aren‘t all that many Slade singles with prominent organ either, an obvious nod to Jon Lord.

  2. 2
    Ivica says:

    Great song..always gives me goosebumps (first version 1980)
    great job by the band… especially David,Neil Murray and Martin Birch

  3. 3
    peter mair says:

    never understood this BB/ Tina connection on those 2 songs, why would you write songs with other WS members, with any other band/artist in mind.

    Suggest just an angle for promotion

  4. 4
    Karin Verndal says:

    I really like this song!
    It suits DC’s voice 😊

  5. 5
    Wojak says:

    The original FFYL is a perfect slice of blues based pop rock, the addition of Paice is a game changer, the vocals are just the right shade of smooth and grit and Bernie’s solo is simple and perfect, echoing the great Peter Green in many ways. What a groove the original has.

    Uwe, I never knew about that Slade song but listening to it now… it seems so obvious so thanks for posting that out.

  6. 6
    Max says:

    The run DC had from 74 to 84 is still an unmatched one for me. He delivered a first class album a year. Timeless classics all of them.

  7. 7
    Uwe Hornung says:

    Lots of songwriters do that, Peter, Paul Stanley wrote Hard Luck Woman for Rod Stewart, who passed so they recorded it with Peter Criss’ velvet voice instead.

    https://youtu.be/GUFuJQATLZA

    David Bowie wrote All The Young Dudes for Mott The Hoople, Mark Knopfler and Bryan Adams all wrote songs for Tina, Springsteen wrote Fire for the Pointer Sisters and Because The Night for Patti Smith. It’s a good way to make money and reach an audience you might otherwise not.

    It was actually Neil Murray who talked DC out of giving the song to Tina.

    I’m the 80s, any songwriter would have felt chuffed to be able to gibe one of his/her songs to Tina, she was held in high regard by her peers.

  8. 8
    Uwe Hornung says:

    You think 1987/Serpens Albus is such a bad album then, Max? That bloated, larger than life sound might not be to everybody’s taste (though a lot of people loved it and it sounded great on radio), but is DC’s songwriting really that much worse than on the older albums? DC always had a few gems on every album and the rest were ok … very rarely did he actually deliver a real rubbish song, there was a certain quality standard always maintained. Ignoring the resurrected numbers from previous albums, 1987 contained tracks like Is It Love, Don’t Turn Away and Looking For Love plus of course Still Of The Night (which I never liked, but I guess you cannot deny it its limelight spot as an 80s and MTV classic), thise don’t seem to me a dip in quality as far as the sheer songwriting goes.

    1987 wasn’t a hype record: It combined songwriting quality with a then contemporary sound/production and an MTV image perfect for the times, all topped by DC’s charismatic voice and a talented lead guitarero.

  9. 9
    Tillythemax says:

    @7 I didn’t know that about Hard Luck Woman but it’s always been one of my favourite Kiss songs. Very well imaginable with Rod Stewarts voice as well…

  10. 10
    pacuha says:

    @8
    Maybe 1987 wasn’t a hype record, but..
    Wikipedia:
    1987 (titled Whitesnake in United States and Serpens Albus in Japan) was released on 16 March 1987 in North America[141] and 30 March in Europe.[142][143] It peaked at number eight in the UK, while in the US it reached number two on the Billboard 200 chart.[144][145] In total, the record charted in 14 countries and quickly became the most commercially successful of the band’s career, selling over eight million copies in the US alone.[109] Its success also boosted Slide It In’s sales to over two million copies in the US.[109] The singles “Here I Go Again” and “Is This Love” reached number one and two, respectively, on the Billboard Hot 100.[123][146] In the UK, both reached number nine.[147][148] The record’s success was helped by the heavy airplay Whitesnake received on MTV, courtesy of a trilogy of music videos featuring actress and Coverdale’s future wife Tawny Kitaen.[140] The album was generally well received by critics, though reviews in the UK were less favourable, with Coverdale being accused of “selling out” to America, which he strongly denied.[111] Rolling Stone’s J. D. Considine praised the band’s ability to present old ideas in new and interesting ways, while AllMusic’s Steve Huey, in a retrospective review, touted the album as the band’s best.[149][150]

  11. 11
    Uwe Hornung says:

    Pacuha, by stating that it is “not a hype record“ I did not want to belittle 1987’s stellar success and pivotal role for 80s hair metal, I just wanted to say that there was substance behind the success, not just promotion.

    I haven’t checked numbers, but I have a hunch that by a distance 1987 is the most widely sold single album within the Purple Family, even before albums such as In Rock, Machine Head, MIJ and Burn.

    While the music DC produced for 1987 was no hype, the MTV vids and the image of the touring band were heavily calibrated by the record company, at least if Rudy Sarzo is to be believed:

    https://youtu.be/JizTWTZz-9Q

  12. 12
    MacGregor says:

    Comical to compare the 1980’s MTV rubbish with the early 70’s album sales.. The 70’s was substance, the mid 80’s and onwards the same as a certain fast food company which does not deserve any mention at all. Some 1970’s artists had their ‘biggest’ hits or even a number one in the 80’s. It doesn’t mean a lot in so many ways, to some it may. The throw away era begins. Cheers.

  13. 13
    Max says:

    Uwe, regarding 1987… well, no. It lacks the chemistry, the warmth and the humour. Of course Coverdale’s class shines through and Bad Boys is fun and Still of the Night has someting to it…but overall I consider it a low point in his carreer.

  14. 14
    Uwe Hornung says:

    I wouldn’t go that far, Max. I much prefer early Whitesnake too and, yes, it was that much more organic of course, but 1987/Serpens Albus doesn’t do what it wants to be badly. It was a genre and image change and an archetypal mid 80s production. And like him or not, John Sykes filled all the brackets of an 80s guitar hero.

    For what it aimed to be, the album pulled out all the stops. You don’t achieve that kind of a success that belatedly in your career (DC was in his mid 30s when WS finally broke in the US) without some magic ingredient in your recipe. And the album means a hell of a lot to a hell of a lot of people.

    But I’m with you: Marsden-Moody-Murray WS was more of a band and more subtle and nuanced in its approach.

    Had the Sykes-Murray-Dunbar line-up actually had a chance to tour 1987/Serpens Albus, who knows how the band might have gelled and developed further. The MTV line-up that was fabricated out of midair to tour the album bore no similarity (other than looking suitably good) to the crew who had recorded it, let’s not forget that. Imagine how Jelly Roll would have sounded had Coverdale sung it.

    https://youtu.be/GmxK9CS3RV0

  15. 15
    Uwe Hornung says:

    If you say that 1987/Serpens Albus was undiluted crap then what are you gonna say about the Blizzard of Oz album? It’s the same recipe. They are both albums that typified an era and were hugely influential to a music genre that was spectacularly successful during most of the 80s. That music might have not been to your liking (and not to mine either!), but dismissing the album outright? Like it or not it was a milestone in sound, presentation and in capturing the spirit of the era.

  16. 16
    MacGregor says:

    @15 – erhhh, the Blizzard of Oz album wasn’t manufactured like the 1987 Whitesnake band and record. Also, it was their debut album, it came from nothing but the good old fashioned scene of certain musicians getting together to start a band. Just a little bit different scenario Uwe, don’t you think. A much more genuine effort to. They didn’t even have any permed hair! The music only did the talking. The differences are palpable. Cheers.

  17. 17
    Uwe Hornung says:

    Speaking of Old Cov’, I have the new Forevermore Box etravaganza (and as usual it spoils us with bells, whistles & derring-do), two very nice “campfire versions” which show how pleasant the Ober-Snake’s fangs still can be with a more sympathetic, scaled back backing:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOY6KvirFnA

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH_OMUMvKHA

    The remix of Forevermore, while hardly vital, is again done well – DC and his team have meanwhile become experts at this type of thing.

    The album is actually better than I had remembered it – am I having a bout of DC nostalgia? 🥸

  18. 18
    Uwe Hornung says:

    This is fascinating, DC and Doug Aldrich developing ideas and the former using a light falsetto you normally don’t hear him with:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIgm3AkPFuw

  19. 19
    Uwe Hornung says:

    DC can entertain even when he dodges the high notes …

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyEyYjQp89s

  20. 20
    Max says:

    I never believed in the millions of flies can”tbe wrong side of seeing things. Sure 1987 means a lot to a lot of people – I considered it the worst WS album up to that point then and I still do. Though some poor (Purple album) and mediocre (Flesh and Blood) was to follow and set the bar lower.
    I remember my disappointment to this day after having given it a first spin at home. The remake of Here I go again.was cringeworthy. A great song ruined big time. Most of my friends that I spent years on turning them on to WS were disappointed too. Is this love would turn some heads – looking away in disbelief that is.
    And don’t get me started on Ozzy here. Tillythemax is the OO-expert in de house. I prefer to read his funny books and interviews.

  21. 21
    Uwe Hornung says:

    Herr MacGregor, the album 1987/Serpens Albus wasn’t manufactured at all. It was written by a songwriting team that had found itself after John Sykes had played with Whitesnake for something like 18 months, playing other people’s material, and then traveling with DC to France for writing sessions.

    What was indeed manufactured were the videos and the band promoting the album after release after the people who had recorded it had all been purged.

    I can’t say that I was disappointed of 1987 (I was disappointed of Slide It In), Max, I rather thought: Look here, the Snake has completed its shedding and is a new animal for modern times. I wasn’t surprised at all about the ensuing US success – 1987 was like Def Leppard’s Hysteria chiseled to conquer America and it did. I was at the time playing in an AOR/Hair Metal rock band, all my bandmates went crazy for those two albums.

  22. 22
    MacGregor says:

    @ 21- no need to shout old son, you are not in court here at THS. Add Neil Murray to that trip to France. Seriously Uwe, John Kalodner and David Coverdale were after that scene big time. There is nothing wrong with that, it is what Coverdale craved and was whinging about not getting with the British original Snake. We know all that, the big push with the record company etc etc. Of course new songs are composed, (Here I Go Again excepted). I am not talking about that in my reply to the comparison that you mentioned regarding the Blizzard of Ozz album and band. I know what you mean in the case of the ‘circus’ that became Ozzy around the Bark at the Moon period. As I mentioned, the first setup was a new band, straight off the cuff. Did they have the push from a huge influential record company and manager who was in the big time regarding all that scene? Anyway we can keep splitting hairs I suppose, but what for? Ozzy ‘sold out’ too, we kew that would happen settling in the USA, his missus was on an agenda there, a chip off the old block eh? Have to get back at the Sabbath lads too, make it even bigger etc etc. Both artists embarrassed me with their mid 80’s and onwards setup. But that is MTV and ‘hair metal’ for you. At least Coverdale wasn’t behaving like a tool and writing himself off continuously with booze and everything else. It is what it is. I jumped off at Bark at the Moon and the Slide it In albums. I knew what was coming, most could see that, some like it, some do not. I heard plenty of it when it arrived too. Each to their own. Oh and just for the record. A few of us here are seeing an image of you playing in that AOR hair metal band you mentioned. Surely Uwe you didn’t have a wig on for that. A big bushy ‘poodle’ looking wig, you know the type. Cheers.

  23. 23
    Karin Verndal says:

    @21

    Uwe, are you never going to teach me how to make italics, bold, underlined etc?

    I would really like to know – and no I will not pay you but I will let the light of grace shine upon you, eternally 😃

  24. 24
    MacGregor says:

    Anyone else here fancy picking out a hair metal wig or two for our esteemed ex lawyer rocker, Uwe. Nothing too outrageous though……..oh what the heck, there are plenty to choose from folks, don’t feel that we have to go easy on him. Cheers.

    https://thewigoutlet.com.au/80s-mens-heavy-metal-rocker-wig-blonde-costume-wigs-by-allaura/?srsltid=AfmBOoosnglsjZJ005a55GEmFmW9OUrcRgaN3ApWucIqKY4M4Fbvv_JN

    https://www.blossomcostumes.com.au/mens-80s-heavy-metal-rock-black-adult-wig.html?srsltid=AfmBOooDmm93N0ntK3vidAgIxbH6ItOpAB6qDGJCUTafoNFispSZ_Ryb

  25. 25
    Uwe Hornung says:

    Karin, to emphasize a word or a passage in a(n) HS posting, this is what I do (likely a Neanderthal approach):

    First use the lesser than symbol

    then let the text you wish to emphasize/mark follow.

    When you want to stop emphasizing/marking, type again the lesser than symbol

    See also here:

    https://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_b.asp

    I know I’m gonna regret showing you this! 😂 I’m also the worst person to ask for advice on this because I have a strictly monkey see, monkey do approach to computers, i.e. never really know what I’m doing why and how it sets processes in motion, I just copy and paste what other people do or show me. I’m sure there are at least a dozen more easier ways to italicize, make bold or underline text while posting at the HS.

    Have fun!

    *******************
    Herr MacGregor, to quench your curiosity:

    From my teenage years to my early twenties I wore my hair long, up to almost my nipples was the longest, that must have been around 17/18 – with a fringe/bangs btw, side- and center-partings never worked with my hair, it grows stubbornly forward. 😂 I cut my hair short when I worked in the Frankfurt Red Light District because people were always hitting on me for drugs, thinking I was a dealer due to my long hair. That got annoying after a while.

    In the 80s, also in my Hair Metal days, I had a mullet in a Rick Springfield/John Taylor (Duran Duran) style. Man that cost a lot of hairspray, foam mousse and styling wax to get right as my hair is straight like spaghetti by nature, not a curl or wave in sight.

    Other than that I have mostly worn short crew cuts in my life, 12 mm top, 6 mm upper sides + back, and 3 mm lower sides + back. They work best with my hair and my widow’s peak/Geheimratsecken (people always assume I cut/shave my prominent peak that way, but it’s just my natural hairline). My mom, who liked my hair longer, always scoffed about that Red Army soldier haircut.

  26. 26
    Uwe Hornung says:

    Liebste Karin, I’m afraid my instructions above came out all wrong and jumbled because the symbols I was referring to were not printed as were some of the letters and words as well, all these tags for bold, italics and struck out. I feared as much, you have to go with the link I sent, it is explained there, b when set between the “smaller than” and “greater than” symbols is for bold, i for italicized and s is for struck out. Adding a slash / before the inserted letter ends the highlighting whatever it is.

    In the meantime, the new TS single is really nice, very sparse:

    https://youtu.be/slUhVTAznMo

  27. 27
    MacGregor says:

    @25 – “I cut my hair short when I worked in the Frankfurt Red Light District because people were always hitting on me for drugs, thinking I was a dealer due to my long hair.” I was getting really worried reading that, not knowing which way the ‘hitting me up’ line was going to end. Thank God it was for the drugs then eh? Still, at least you had long hair and something for them to hang on to if needed, he he he he. Sorry, ‘I can resist anything but temptation itself’. Good ole Oscar eh? I do remember you saying something earlier about your mullet hairstyle back then. That is why I went for the ‘poodle’ permed wig style. That is amusing your mum saying that about the ‘red army soldier haircut’ look. Mums usually do know what is best. Cheers.

  28. 28
    Karin Verndal says:

    @26

    Merci beaucoup!

    I’m all confused as usual 😄

    Hopefully your Edith has returned home? It’s horrible weather in Denmark at the moment!
    I’m slowly turning into 🥶

    Now I’ll see that video and hopefully I can dazzle you with my new abilities 😃

  29. 29
    Uwe Hornung says:

    I’ve never had a perm in my life or dyed my hair, I’d die laughing in front of the hairdresser’s mirror. I find it fascinating that people with curly hair want it straightened or “relaxed” and people with straight hair want curls. I tend to stick with what nature has endowed me with – good or bad. I only recently had a dentist appointment and the question came up whether I wanted some veneers and crowns styled in a way to make my teeth seem larger and more white. And I just said: “I’ve been living for more than 60 years now with a comparatively small jaw, small teeth and they have never been sparkling white, why would I want to change that now?” And luckily my dentist understood though it is apparently no longer the standard requirement of patients. I marvel at Glenn‘s Hollywood type gnashers at every gig I see him and have visions of him not needing a flashlight when going for a pee at night, but just opening his mouth for some instant illumination … 😆

    Other men hitting on me? Except for some desperate and apparently very lonely math teacher many decades ago (and he was likely more after my blond buddy who was with me), that has never happened even though my first wife always had a lot of gay friends. But they would always say laughingly: “Uwe, you‘re one of the really hopeless cases … though you’re relaxed with us, we read you as totally disinterested. No point trying to turn you.“ I always took that as not that great a compliment on my general sexual attraction! Maybe I should have gone for the larger teeth after all? 😂

  30. 30
    MacGregor says:

    Alice Cooper and Keith Richards are the two that I have noticed that do ‘glow in the dark’ with their gnashers. That old weathered look they both have, it does stand out more, not a good look. Welcome to my Nightmare. Oh the vanity of it all eh? Cheers.

  31. 31
    Uwe Hornung says:

    Bowie too, he originally had charming NHS post-war teeth in all directions

    https://lemaclinic.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/david-bowie-in-1970.webp

    and then they gave him that horrible US celebrity “piano keys” look

    https://lemaclinic.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/david-bowie-teeth-iin-2000.webp

    which also changed his jawline from pointed to square. I guess if your wife is a top model and you start to increasingly mingle with people whose job it is to look perfect from every angle, there is no escape from the influence rubbing off.

  32. 32
    MacGregor says:

    yes Bowie too looks a little ‘un natural’ indeed. Back to Keith and those pirates back in the day had lovely pearly whites didn’t they? Cheers.

    https://de.pinterest.com/pin/710231803757984940/

  33. 33
    Uwe Hornung says:

    By the end of the 70s and likely also due to his then still raging heroin addiction (severe heroin abuse affects blood circulation in your gums), Keith‘s natural teeth (or what was left of them) were totally shot, they looked like one of those London post-war bomb sites after a V2 attack, he had to have something done. But back then they looked “pirate“ alright.

    https://preview.redd.it/other-pix-showing-keefs-mid-70s-teeth-since-people-thought-v0-vgd7p1lkayid1.jpg?width=491&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eb4767e95fbb9f523b4f8e1a83effd11fa66026e

  34. 34
    Max says:

    I remember Keith was asked by a brightashell journo what happened to his teeth …after he obviously had got new ones…and he just said: I stopped smoking. F*cking brillant if you ask me.

  35. 35
    MacGregor says:

    @ 34- ha ha ha, classic Keith Richards indeed. I have always enjoyed his interviews, Lemmy too. They are both very humorous and rather switched on and very experienced individuals. On a mere mortal level, I am still surprised Keith is kicking around. Of the three that I have keenly observed over the decades, two have gone, Lemmy and Ozzy. Cheers.

  36. 36
    Max says:

    I hear you MacGregor. Reading the interviews of those gentlemen was enjoyable. I have to admit that I prefered the wit and wisdom in their words much to their music in case of Lemmy and Ozzy. With Keith it’s different, I like his solo offerings a lot and I think the Stones have a legacy second to none.

    Another very funny guy in the biz is David Lee Roth, always good fun what he has to say. I’m not saying he’s a nice guy – but funny he is. The lyrics of his songs on the solo albums are wrth to check out too.

  37. 37
    Uwe Hornung says:

    DLR could not always hold a note, but he could hold a thought. With Sammy H it tended to be the other way around. Of course, one has to make allowances for being abducted by aliens 👽 in a flying saucer at a young age and being subjected to their testing, who knows if they got the terrestrial oxygen levels right in their lab environment … 😎

    But yeah, DLR was perceptive, more so than the Van Halen brothers.

  38. 38
    Karin Verndal says:

    @37

    Was DLR abducted by aliens?
    Ohh why, ohhh why didn’t they keep him 😄

    Saw him perform (or what it’s called) with EvH and his bro, ‘Jump’ it was, and it was embarrassing!

    Wait a minute, I locate it for ya:
    https://youtu.be/RN0QDgdMZD8?si=LLyEZKLb0wQt_T-A

    I am sadly no mindreader, but it seems to me that both van Halen bros don’t like what they are seeing! (Or maybe it’s just me…)

    Sammy Hagar was much more fitted to be in van Halen 😊

  39. 39
    MacGregor says:

    The court jester is David Lee Roth. Good humour too and a sharp man indeed. I am in shock though with Karin’s comment at 38- Karin must be the only female that has ever existed on planet Earth that hasn’t been floored by DLR’s leotards and gymnastic manoeuvres. Or is Karin jealous Ian Gillan didn’t fit into that gear and attain that flexibility. Boring Hagar the Horrible it appears to be for her in regard to Van Halen the band. By the time of the ‘Jump’ song and the ‘1984’ album the egos were out of control, so maybe that was inevitable. Each to their own. Cheers.

  40. 40
    Max says:

    DLR was always more of an entertainer and even a dancer than a world class singer…and in later days even lost most of his limited singing abilities… so it got embarrassing indeed.

    But he’s up there with the best of them when it comes to funny quotes! And he’s very bright. Read his memories (by the pool, fittingly… not my pool sadly), interesting stuff. Plus he does not even pretend to be a very nice guy. Better zhan the other way round. He’s a jewish Hollywood comedian I guess.

  41. 41
    Uwe Hornung says:

    “Ohh why didn’t they keep him …”

    🤣 Brilliant!

    Karin, of course DLR was not abducted by aliens, he is Jewish, they all have space lasers to protect them (italics employed to signify satirizing antisemitic tropes). It is Sammy Hagar who thinks he was (abducted), no joke.

    If you think this particular TV studio performance (incongruously captioned as “Tokyo Dome”

    https://share.google/2CIYY3ubKyH7DidfU

    by some YouTube nitwit) is bad, then you haven’t heard DLR sing off key in full splendor. The man is tone deaf, but here he manages comparatively well, his high screams were never in key even as a young man, they are more like a percussive effect in his vocal style, he doesn’t scream in tune like Halford or Gillan did/do.

    But hitting notes (and, yes, I prefer Sammy Hagar’s voice too) isn’t what DLR was ever about, it’s his old-fashioned, Sinatra’esque entertainer charm, his high kicks, his toothy smile, his movements, his wit, the masculine tone of his voice – unlike many singers he basically sings with his talking voice, never mind how it can’t hold a note. 🤗

  42. 42
    Uwe Hornung says:

    Nuff said:

    https://youtu.be/Q3FXxpSesZs

    DLR, for all his vocal limitations, already sounded like himself even back then (1976). Interesting how the backing vocals are already actually quite good, Michael Anthony was VH’s secret weapon, saving every chorus in the DLR era. The drums are pretty much awful though. 😂

    To be fair: Neither this (not all that easy to sing) Rainbow track nor a lot of songs that Eddie subsequently wrote were really suited to DLR’s voice. He would have sometimes needed a more sympathetic writer, but the VH brothers were always pushing him into a vocal direction he simply wasn’t and couldn’t go either. DLR is as much a singer or not a singer as Iggy Pop,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLnL1-7lvVE ,

    ie he has an immediately recognizable voice, but don’t force him to sing too much with it!

  43. 43
    Karin Verndal says:

    @39 & 40

    Sorry guys 🤣🤣🤣

    I tell it like it is! Can’t be any other way than that.

    Max, I have never read his memoires (ok, he must have had a ghostwriter, and no, it’s no hint of his lack of understanding 😄)

  44. 44
    Karin Verndal says:

    @41

    “Karin, of course DLR was not abducted by aliens, he is Jewish,”
    – ohhh nooooo, aliens have racial prejudice 😖

    Now I’m seriously disappointed in our extra-terrestrial friends!

    Sammy Hagar thinks he was abducted!?
    Well, had I been an alien, and saw those curls of his, I would have kidnapped him to study his hair, that’s for sure 😃

    “The man is tone deaf” – aww poor guy! I think I have a homeopathic remedy for that (just kidding 😂😂 of course I don’t!)

    Ohhh don’t get me wrong gentlemen, I had this song as my ringtone for years:
    https://youtu.be/SwYN7mTi6HM?si=6XheVDHJtlH-G1lB
    And yes, of course he is mesmerising! I don’t mind him being a bit too much, because when he was young-ish, he was more put together than later on.

    Yeah Sammy Hagar is a peach (in my head)when he is singing, I like this one a lot:
    https://youtu.be/BBEu4HVKPak?si=4Uh2C9WtQ-z6s5Jw

  45. 45
    Karin Verndak says:

    @42

    Hey, I like Iggy Pop 😃

    I love when people are not afraid to be who they are!

    Of course yiure right about his voice, bit in my head it’s very ok 😃

  46. 46
    Karin Verndal says:

    @39

    “Or is Karin jealous Ian Gillan didn’t fit into that gear and attain that flexibility.”
    – No no no, not at all MacGregor 😂😂

    I love mr Gillan’s voice very much, and I really don’t give a tiny rodents wet behind for how flexible he is! 😄

    “Karin must be the only female that has ever existed on planet Earth that hasn’t been floored by DLR’s leotards and gymnastic manoeuvres.”
    – well maybe I am!
    But I really do need to reveal to you that leotards and gymnastics manoeuvres are not, and I repeat, NOT what I look for in a guy 😜😂🤣
    However a nice disposition… ☺️

  47. 47
    tillythemax says:

    Also this one got played by VH in their earlier days

    https://youtu.be/R3pYfmotGAU?si=MP524AF5PNSVCTwP

  48. 48
    MacGregor says:

    Regarding DLR and his departure from Van Halen. Didn’t he tell them to Jump? Cheers.

    https://americansongwriter.com/the-1984-rift-between-david-lee-roth-and-van-halen/

  49. 49
    Uwe Hornung says:

    I love Iggy Pop. But he’s not a great singer in a technical sense, he has endless vocal charisma though.

    https://youtu.be/HMOz-XJORpg

    Now here’s a young man, only age 21 at the time, from Saltburn-by-the-Sea attempting the same song. Legend has it that it got him the job with DP when Ian Paice first heard the tape and then took it to Ritchie and Jon …

    https://youtu.be/yMl13GrrtmE

  50. 50
    Karin Verndal says:

    @47

    Thanks tillythemax 😊 had never heard that before! And have to say: Ian’s voice is way better for that song 😃 but it was fun.

  51. 51
    Karin Verndal says:

    @48

    And DLR claimed van Halen was his band all along!

    Sadly Eddie didn’t sing, that would’ve solved many issues 😃

  52. 52
    MacGregor says:

    David Lee Roth’s uncle Manny was a huge influence for him. A nightclub owner (Cafe Wha?) and entrepreneur of sorts. A bit of a go to man by the sound of it all. That’s showbiz folks. A very good 27 minute doco from Roth on his uncle and family. Cheers.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKDkO-Y6XhM&t=76s

    https://www.vhnd.com/2014/07/30/tribute-to-uncle-manny-roth-1918-2014/

  53. 53
    MacGregor says:

    It is only the first seven minutes of the DLR video that is about his uncle Manny. The rest is forgettable, especially the middle section, about the Eat ‘Em and Smile album and videos etc. The songs for the album were originally intended for a soundtrack to a film, Crazy from the Heat. Cheers.

  54. 54
    Russ 775 says:

    @45

    “Hey, I like Iggy Pop 😃”

    Yeah, me too. That Dang Uwe sent me down an Iggy Pop rabbit hole with his link. I spent the first 4 hours of my day listening to Iggy while I sat at my computer and worked. He’s doing damned good considering his age and the amount of abuse he’s subjected himself to.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HD8yKEL-rgY

  55. 55
    Uwe Hornung says:

    “However a nice disposition… ☺️”

    https://cdn1.dangerousminds.net/uploads/7/images/08bulgedavidlr80.jpg

    Karin’s sudden attention being drawn to her by no means innocent observation on DLR’s nether region (and its expanse) is all the more noteworthy given how for both geographical – diese Amerikaner … 🙄 – and in young David’s particular case also for cultural/religious reasons he must have suffered a serious setback shortly (pun not intended) after birth. At least one would circum…stantially surmise as much. But young David apparently grew out of it, if only under the application of Danish standards.

  56. 56
    Karin Verndal says:

    @49

    “he has endless vocal charisma though.”
    – he is no beauty, but ohh man he is brave and so much fun 😃
    (Psst: I wouldn’t mind though if he put on a shirt or something, but maybe the bare chest is what helps him perform 😄)

    “Now here’s a young man, only age 21 at the time, from Saltburn-by-the-Sea attempting the same song.”

    – Uwe, the same young man made this song, originally a Beatles tune, way more interesting:
    https://youtu.be/ub8rPHBXd20?si=PrHgiY7huAXcSukA

    Which is quite something because I really liked it when Beatles sang, but DC added something the Fab Four didn’t!
    Can’t explain what actually, just know my mind is overflowing with beautiful colours 😃

  57. 57
    Karin Verndal says:

    @54

    Russ, please jump up off the rabbit hole and listen to me:

    This:
    https://youtu.be/def3ob2h-1s?si=ot9hB30_YMIBk_OG

    Is way better with him than with this lady:
    https://youtu.be/JUekEo_otpg?si=wYTqo_KLE0ut2x0l

    Sometimes when women try to hard to be tuff, it just doesn’t work!
    Or what do you think?

  58. 58
    Karin Verndal says:

    @52 & 53

    Thank you very much MacGregor 😊
    I had no idea about uncle Manny 😃

    Well uncles all over the world have to be very careful how and who they guide 😄

  59. 59
    Russ 775 says:

    @57

    Funny, I was going to post a link to that song but changed my mind and used the other one instead.

    Joan Jett doesn’t need to try to be tough… She is. She’s about as butch as they get.

    But yes, I agree with you… Iggy’s version is light years better than Joan’s. Her version is weak.

    But nobody can top the “Killer” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9Kvv522yjA

  60. 60
    Karin Verndal says:

    @59

    Thanks for the link to ‘the real wild child’ 😃
    I couldn’t find it!
    JLL, wasn’t he the guy who married that 13 yo girl? Well, men apparently need some youngblood to keep them going 😄

    Yes JJ is butch but not particularly feminine 😅
    Actually I do think Iggy Pop is the better of them all, even better than JLL!

    He surely isn’t Ian Gillan, but man he has personality 😃
    https://youtu.be/_lJqBsrShys?si=KcYvv6VJVQQLTT1I
    So much joie de vivre 😄

    Imagine what a Iggy Pop would have done in Purple 🫣😂
    Ohh no, then I certainly prefer my favourite vocalist!
    But Iggy Pop is a really good example of how fun music can be too!

    And here he is being all sincere and ev’rything:
    https://youtu.be/6bLOjmY–TA?si=wmgSiuB788Tkhci-
    And ohh the B-52’s female vocalist is really good 👍🏼

    But no one in the whole world will ever be as fantastic as this guy:
    https://youtu.be/1ieqHL15yEw?si=CrDT51bPHUDB90Fa
    Yeah I know I have linked to this more than once but ohhhh man 🤩 especially the last primal scream 6:14 😍😍😍

  61. 61
    Uwe Hornung says:

    Don‘t knock Joanie (a Long Island neighbor of the spouses Blackmore), she‘s not the greatest rock guitarist on earth (but likely good enough for Oasis, she sure has those bar chords down pat!) though Uncle Ted‘s digs at her for being in Rolling Stone‘s Top 100 Guitarists list were – as usual for him – subpar. (With her remarks on his fearless military engagement and becoming the guardian of female minors he had taken an interest in she gave him as good as she got!)

    But I like Joanie‘s perseverance and determination through the decades, she‘s a hardy little donut bumper and – getting poetic here – may the clams on Long Island always be plentiful and wet for her to munch. 😇

    https://youtu.be/HYxUAeEs8mE

    Did we mention the Killer? He once gave a job offer to a teenage Ritchie (it was in Jerry Lee‘s benevolent and caring nature to show an avid interest in younger people whether related to him or not) to become his guitarist in the US, but Blackmore‘s parents wouldn‘t have it.

    https://www.guitarplayer.com/guitarists/ritchie-blackmore-on-jerry-lee-lewis

    https://hollywoodlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Jerry-Lee-Lewis-4-1.jpg?resize=1000%2C1500

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/e1/ee/85/e1ee855c6e8b00341cef88a40bb00444.jpg

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ7mYCZk_9f80NQ6K_6xAICTCk4to4CaL6zchxvCel-UgrMDz233XMppqWK&s=10

  62. 62
    Max says:

    @60 Youngblood sure has its charms as DC ecplains in no uncertain terms on the – btw much underrated – Saints & Sinners album but isn’t needed to keep men going in general. Surprisingly not all men are the same. Some even stick with mature girls I might add.
    Didn’t we mention DLR the other day. Quote, by memory: ‘This morning I woke up next to a 16 yo and she said ‘you have to be the oldest person I ever had sex with’ – and I was like ‘hey, I was going to say the same!’ ‘

  63. 63
    Uwe Hornung says:

    For Joanie and being an activist long before other people dared to be, she probably did help quite a few girls to come out of the closet and pick up a guitar:

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/mPigUgxpfco 😂

  64. 64
    MacGregor says:

    Blackmore and Page and a few others certainly cut their teeth mixing with some of the greats in rock ‘n roll back then. That 1960’s scene in England really was a musical opening to so much creativity that followed. A bit of a Pandoras box in that sense. Amusing story from Blackmore in regard to JLL. Also the Rory Gallagher tale. It is no wonder as to why Jimi Hendrix kept hanging around there in his later years. Cheers.

  65. 65
    Karin Verndal says:

    @62

    Oh Max, I totally get what you mean, and I apologise sincerely for my statement, I think of course of this one:
    “JLL, wasn’t he the guy who married that 13 yo girl? Well, men apparently need some youngblood to keep them going 😄”

    I really am so so so SORRY 😢😢
    Of course I didn’t hint at that awful relationship between a 13 yo girl and a grown man in any way is acceptable 😞
    I honestly don’t know what I was thinking 😟 (guess I wasn’t)
    What I meant to have been writing was that JLL was an awful old pig that should have been hang up in his crown jewels until they fell off!

    Yeah I do know there can be a big difference in 13-yo girls. Some are still kids, other are practically grown ups in their appearance.
    But no matter what, it is the grown ups responsibility to protect such a child even if the child is sending out very grown up’s signals.
    Sorry, I really get agitated and I cannot apologise enough for my awful statement. (Yes, I’ve been rather busy lately 😞)

    And then you say:
    “Some even stick with mature girls I might add.“
    – 😂😂😂😂😂
    Ok Max, I cannot help myself for not teasing you a bit 😅😅
    Mature girls you say? Well, so there ought to be hope for me yet, even though I have reached the abnormal mature age of 58 🤣🤣

    DLR was a pig! Enough said 😜

    And then I need to end with this:
    yeah I know! I know women can be pigs too! (I’m not though 😂) and it doesn’t bother me what people do, as long as they do it with people they haven’t manipulated out of their wits, like JLL and his cousin!

  66. 66
    Max says:

    Well, as BB King once sang….As long as there is breath in you…there is always one more time…

    A friend of mine works in a senior citizen home and she tells me ‘you wouldn’t believe it but nothing changes… they even starts fight in their wheelchairs out of jealousy…’

    But it’s – for the first time in a lifetime I’d say- better to be male there. If you make it there you got plenty to chose from as most of your contemporaries have left the building already….

  67. 67
    Russ 775 says:

    @61

    “may the clams on Long Island always be plentiful and wet for her to munch.”

    This thought popped into my head after reading your post:

    What might a certain band from Long Island have this to say about that statement:

    Oyster boys are swimming now
    Doesn’t hear them chatter on the tide
    ‘Cause she like clams, she likes clams
    Can’t fault her there ’cause so do I

    But seriously… I applaud Joan for wearing her ovaries on the outside and having the “Lady Balls” to be herself.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWQHhKrdtSA

  68. 68
    Russ 775 says:

    @60

    “Actually I do think Iggy Pop is the better of them all, even better than JLL! ”

    When you hear Jerry Lee singing that song there is no doubt in your mind that he means every word. He was a bona fide bad-ass. For that reason alone his version will always be just a little bit better than anyone else’s.

    Now Iggy, he’s an outlaw too, and a BMF in his own way but they don’t call Jerry Lee the killer for nuthin’.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYZGW7pqhnI

  69. 69
    Karin Verndal says:

    @68

    Well, Russ, let me tell you something:

    JLL looks exactly like my father-in-law, (his build, hair, teeth, well everything!) so sorry not so much a killer for me 😄😄

    And I still have a hard time come to terms with the fact JLL was a pig!
    (Well so is my in-law, he is with a woman 20 years his junior! 😄 no he is a nice bloke. .)

    I really like this one though, with him that is:
    https://youtu.be/HrZIVa0Ko80?si=DB6hXm-dS3qXJrDk

  70. 70
    Karin Verndal says:

    @68

    And Jeff Lynne did it too:

    https://youtu.be/v4UdEJgmtBk?si=EaUDsawK224MS2tC

  71. 71
    Russ 775 says:

    @70

    I always liked ELO’s version of that one… it has balls.

    RE: pigs… well, we all are to one degree or another.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8ivrgA9RUE

  72. 72
    Uwe Hornung says:

    Iggy is great, no one else could get away with something like this:

    https://youtu.be/b_zeaKWPEkQ

  73. 73
    Russ 775 says:

    @72

    “no one else could get away with something like this”

    Except for Patti Smith…

    People get hung up about certain words that have been deemed offensive. That any use of them is “offensive”; calling it “hate speech” and shame you for using it. They’re forgetting about context. Should you go around using these words constantly in your everyday speech? Probably not a good idea. But using them to illustrate a point that you are trying to make is, in my mind perfectly acceptable. It is all about context.

    Patti Smith does a good job of that:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNnC8hYOmlw

  74. 74
    Uwe Hornung says:

    Oh my, Patti’s notorious Rockpalast gig where she and the band were caught shooting up heroin (via injecting in their feet) in their backstage area just before they went on stage. During the course of the performance, the heroin began to hit more and more and let’s just say “enhanced” the warm, fuzzy & dreamlike quality of the concert. 😆

    Her gig (sandwiched between the J. Geils Band and Johnny Winter, whose performance she would later crash in heroin stupor armed with a clarinet “to jam” to Johnny’s also not quite sober bemusement) went down in German TV live rock history as somewhat of an unmitigated car crash and for weeks following it her devout fans would valiantly and apologetically scrawl on toilet walls etc the German rhyme

    Und Patti Schmitt ist trotzdem fit!

    ie “Patti Smith is nonetheless still great!” 😎

  75. 75
    Max says:

    🙂 Uwe, thanks for reminding me. Not. I have seen that Rockpalast desaster of hers and could never bring myself to taking her serious again. Not only that it seemed like trash to me – in fact she annoyed people that had paid hard earned money to see a rock show and millions of people all over Europe watching the telly – she ruined an otherwise great show of Johnny WInter too. I never got what anyone sees in her – apart for, some junkie chic(k) and pseudo underground anarcho wisdom. Bottom line: it is not only Prog Rock I can rant about, Uwe.

  76. 76
    Russ 775 says:

    @ 74

    “Her gig (sandwiched between the J. Geils Band and Johnny Winter, whose performance she would later crash in heroin stupor armed with a clarinet “to jam” to Johnny’s also not quite sober bemusement)”

    Dope will make you do some stupid shit…

    “…she and the band were caught shooting up heroin (via injecting in their feet) in their backstage area just before they went on stage.”

    In case you didn’t know; people do that so as not to leave telltale needle tracks on their arms.

    And in case you are wondering; no, I’ve never shot-up heroin. I just kinda grew up on the streets.

    @ 75

    “I never got what anyone sees in her – apart for, some junkie chic(k) and pseudo underground anarcho wisdom.”

    I recommend that you read this: https://www.amazon.com/Just-Kids-Patti-Smith/dp/0060936223 It might give you a little insight as to what makes her tick.

  77. 77
    Karin Verndal says:

    @76

    “In case you didn’t know; people do that so as not to leave telltale needle tracks on their arms.”
    – yeah, unfortunately the inventions are extraordinarily so ‘no one’ expects anything.

    I didn’t know though that Patti Smith was a heavy user. I just never liked her because she felt so odd. But maybe the drugs were the reason?

    I never did any drugs either, but because of my education I was in a shorter period on a psych ward, with very very ill people 😞
    It amazed me what people are willing to do to themselves to cope.
    I get actors, singer, musicians etc can feel overwhelmed, facing a big crowd and maybe being nervous for their outcome.
    But ‘ordinary’ people, people with ‘9-5’-jobs? People with small children, people with apparently successful lives??
    Well, inner demons sadly take on many forms 🥺

  78. 78
    Uwe Hornung says:

    Patti overcame heroin addiction by herself (together with her hubby Fred “Sonic” Smith, guitarist of the MC5 alongside Wayne Kramer), let’s give her credit for that. During her halcyon days in the late 70s, I too found her a hype, but I’ve warmed to her considerably since. She is one of a type. And contributed some nice BÖC songs. Very NYC. Worthy to accept the Nobel Prize for His Bobness. And strangely beautiful as a woman.

    What happened at Rockpalast was not just her recklessness, but also her underestimation of the potency of the German heroin they had obtained. In the late 70s, heroin was the number one hard drug in Germany which was a major market, cocaine was still a long while away. She could have accidentally overdosed with that stuff, even as an experienced user.

    Johnny Winter of all people was not in any sort of position to criticize anyone for heroin consumption – regarding this he also followed his black Blues icons very closely. He might have been clean (if only from smack) by 1979, but he nearly died a couple of times from it in the early 70s. Correct dosage is key.

  79. 79
    Karin Verndal says:

    @78

    Uwe, you are certainly a fountain of knowledge!
    Yes, that is impressive to fight off 💪🏼

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