Oh ye, of little faith
Ian Paice returns with a rare issue of his DrumTribe video channel. It is a drum cam studio video for Arrogant Boy.
Thanks to Mike Whiteley for the heads-up.
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Ian Paice returns with a rare issue of his DrumTribe video channel. It is a drum cam studio video for Arrogant Boy.
Thanks to Mike Whiteley for the heads-up.
Unauthorized copying, while sometimes necessary, is never as good as the real thing
But who on earth could have said that Ian Paice didn’t play drums on Arrogant Boy???
September 21st, 2026 at 21:08Wonderful, I love these drum-tribe things! And all the stories he tells of course!
September 21st, 2026 at 21:12Most hardrock/metal drummers could never get anywhere near that kind of swing! đ
Fantastico! Paice: forgive the arrogant ones who don’t know what they’re saying! You’re amazing! âĄ
September 21st, 2026 at 21:24That drumming is beautiful and it swings with the grace and elegant ease of a limp dick after a hard nightâs just work.
You watch that bass drum, Flavio, itâs called music, not juvenile machine gun ra-ta-ta-ta-tat!
September 21st, 2026 at 22:30Thanks for that, excepting the low kick drum mix, good to hear and see as the instrumental. Maybe they could have left big Ian’s vocal off it after all, eh? Cheers.
September 21st, 2026 at 23:16Yo,
Excellent indeed ! IP’s videos are awesome đ !
Ciao !
September 22nd, 2026 at 00:12That’s hilarious. A lot of fools thought those weren’t real drumbeats on ‘Arrogant Boy,’ because how could a 78-year-old man possibly play that quickly and precisely? As Paice says, “Oh, ye of little faith.”
September 22nd, 2026 at 00:55@1 Flavio
> But who on earth could have said that Ian Paice didnât play drums on Arrogant Boy???
Some die hard Led Zeppelin fan for sure…
September 22nd, 2026 at 06:59You just gotta love Ian Paice, he’s such an awesome beauty and the beast of a (hu)man!
September 22nd, 2026 at 07:21#4 Uwe:
Hahaha, Counselor, itâs incredible how Paicey makes you enjoy everything he does, even when he burps or farts!
Anyway, if your grey hair keeps you from appreciating heavy metal and double-bass drumming, I understand, and I can’t dye your hair!
September 22nd, 2026 at 09:36He is a phenomenon, he works constantly, when off tour with Purple he plays with Purpendicular, a Real important fact for every drummer is not to rust
September 22nd, 2026 at 10:30Guess âsomeoneâ has too much time to speculateâŚ
September 22nd, 2026 at 11:44I wish he would do a video of all of the walls in his house. His framed gold albums, pictures etc. to me it is awesome. I would love to have just one of those items.
September 22nd, 2026 at 12:27The one & only Ian Paice!!
September 22nd, 2026 at 15:36âSome die hard Led Zeppelin fan for sure âŚâ
Now tsk, tsk, tsk donât be so hard on them, Manic, put yourself in their lead-footed shoes for once, whenever they hear drumming that doesnât sound clumsy, itâs highly unsettling and disconcerting to them. đ¤
https://share.google/8RbqBJAQIhH2PLvVN
September 22nd, 2026 at 16:30Wow, I am speechless. Simply the best one still around from his era.
September 22nd, 2026 at 17:49Peace âď¸
#8 Manic:
Hahahaha!
September 22nd, 2026 at 22:35Right! How did I not think of that?
#15: thanks so much, Uwe, for saying it loud and clear: â whenever they hear drumming that doesnât sound clumsy, itâs highly unsettling and disconcerting to themâ. Because thatâs whatâs it all about with LZ. Clumsy, imprecise and noisy, thatâs what all their oeuvre is. And this counts for the drummer, the guitar player who never was able to even tune his instrument and the âsingerâ who simply couldnât sing. Paicey shows with this one clip what musicianship is all about: being able to play rather than to pretend. Happily the Purps made it up until now. May they continue as long as possible.
September 22nd, 2026 at 22:45Yo,
Leiber Uwe stated…qt.”That drumming is beautiful and it swings with the grace and elegant ease of a limp dick after a hard nightâs just work”…
Lol ! Some descriptions are….
But does it make you want to shake-your-ass a little to the left, & then a little to the right ?…
John Bonham was laid-back, & only worked hard when needed, as his tempos, fills & solo’s reveal…I always liked the fact that he used a tambourine on his high-hat, which IP has used too from time-to-time…
I have not read any complaints about IP’s high-hat sounds on the new album, when compared to “=1” & some other albums before it…The video certainly reveals the microphone placement well-below where the 2 x cymbals meet. Perhaps it was an effect used in post-production ?…
It was likely a young impressionable person that stated the use of AI & computers, simply because that’s what they’re up to themselves ha-ha !..20-odd-years-ago the saying went like “We’ll fix it on Pro-Tools”…
Ciao !
September 22nd, 2026 at 22:56Wonderful!
September 22nd, 2026 at 23:36He is still the best.
Ian Paice first drew my attention, almost 50 years ago, to Deep Purple.
Paice first, then Lord, then Blackmore.
I heard his playing, and Yes!, I needed to dig in more.
I will say Wonderful! again.
He is.
Seriously and as a consolation to all people afflicted with Zeppelinisma, of course Bonzo had a certain groove, you donât become a drumming icon if you donât. It just never represented what I admire about drumming, elegance and suppleness. I never âlikedâ the way the drums sound and are played in Led Zep, long before I knew of such things like swing as opposed to playing behind the beat. Conversely, I always liked the way the drums sound and are played with DP and BS (as long as Bill Ward was manning the sticks). OTOH: Whenever Paicey plays a Zep song, it simply doesnât sound right either, not to my ears it doesnât.
Tlow, you left out JPJ in your scathing critique! đ And quite rightly so, he was a good bassist with LZ. You might even say a touch above Roger and Glenn in terms of complexity and sophistication. But it was Gene Simmons (who can be quite acerbic when discussing music) who once said: âSure JPJ played great, but you could never really HEAR him on those LZ records, he was difficult to focus on. That was different with Purple, Roger Glover had his space and you always could hear what he was doing well.â I actually agree with that. Martin Birch was better in âplacingâ a bass in the sonic panorama than Jimmy Page (never mind that Page had strengths as a producer too).
September 23rd, 2026 at 12:36#19 Gregster:
The hi-hat sound on Splat doesn’t strike me as bad; considering that Iâd describe Paiceyâs overall sound from Rapture to Infinite as terrible, Iâd say itâs not worth nitpicking over the hi-hat on the latest album.
September 23rd, 2026 at 19:37Always when I see pic of a very young Ian Paice I think :
He could ve Japanese DNA.
To make it even more weird is he has been looking like my father and his mother when they got old.
I can imagine Japanese fans recognising what I say.
September 23rd, 2026 at 20:05When I was young, I loved Paicey for his flashy and elegant drum rolls and breaks â> Burn. Nowadays, I donât even mind if he skips breaks and drum rolls altogether, I just enjoy how he flows within the music. Any drumming half-wit can learn even a difficult drum break (well, the majority of them at least), but you canât learn the way Paicey glides through the music. He is much more than the foundation of DPâs music, because unlike many other drummers he is not only below, but also in it and sometimes even above it. Like a dolphin in the sea.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/08/16/98/0816983e037805aefcf677ca91220b55.gif
That was darn poetic, wasnât it? đ¤ Heâll likely want to marry me now. đ
Speaking of succinct drummer comparisons with animals, I have one more:
https://i.makeagif.com/media/2-25-2020/IAHuCT.gif
That was Bonzo. đ
September 23rd, 2026 at 21:07Yo,
@22…I’m not nit-picking on IP’s drumming my friend, I was simply pointing-out that others weren’t complaining this-time-around about his cymbals & their sound.
IP did a great job as always on “Slat”, but there’s 10 x more nuances & excellent surprises to be found on “=1” that I hear in his delivery.
Bill Ward is an amazing drummer, one-of-the-best.
JPJ of LZ is a remarkable bassist & multi-instrumentalist. Perhaps to address his bass sound, is best indicated by Pete Townshend, who states that he was one-of-the-first to play with a super-clear & funky clean tone, that went on to define what others jumped onto through the early 1970’s. ( See link below to the short snippet, Pete speaks after John)…I suggest that this sound is responsible in part for not hearing him as much as expected, especially if the music has more & more tracks added into the mix. His tone / sound would then become a wall-of-pleasant low-end, rather than defined groove.
https://youtu.be/a9D2W17uG80
Ciao !
September 24th, 2026 at 23:16“Bill Ward is an amazing drummer, one-of-the-best.â
Danke Gregster, finally someone says it! I was flabbergasted when only more recently – during your lamentably long and unwarranted hibernation from this site! 𤠖 the usual Sabbath suspects here were all only lukewarm in their appreciation of Bill and rather brandished names like Appice, Powell and Rondinelli. None of them are even close to Wardâs uncanny musical contribution to Sabbath!
September 26th, 2026 at 12:50Yo,
@26…
Bill Ward was the draw-card for me when I was unknowingly introduced to BS in the mid 1990’s or so. It was either “Paranoid” or “Vol.4” ( or both played successively ) when I asked “Who’s this ???…The drumming is superb”…
Needless-to-say, I then went on to collect the discography lol ! But only the Ozzie years…I have a copy of Mick Wall’s Black Sabbath, & learned much about the band & its history, & generally speaking, reading this put-me-of grabbing the successive albums.
That said, Bill Ward was the draw-card for myself to listening to the band, so it didn’t make sense to grab CD’s without his presence.
Ciao !
September 27th, 2026 at 00:32I agree on Bill Ward.
Like many others that were essential ill treated(understatement)by OZZY and his wife.
And the rest just went along, cowardly, like Jon Lord regularly did.
13 and tour became OZZY plus backingband, atrociously ill fitted heavymetal drumming.
My verdict :
September 28th, 2026 at 14:30Better listen to the REUNION cd and the Biscuit Flowerhourrecording done in New Jersey mid 70 s.
Ouch RV, âcowardlyâ in connection with St. Jon! But I hear you, though my choice of description would have been âconflict-averseâ, you know how I like to mince words whenever I can.
Itâs true that Jon was not the type to force the hands of alpha males like Ritchie or DC all that often. There is a fine line between diplomacy and not sticking up for yourself or people you like.
But by the same token: I donât think that Rick Wakeman or Keith Emerson by their very nature would have âsurvivedââwith Ritchie or DC as long as Jon did, their level for ânot taking any of your đŠ anymoreâ was much lower than Jonâs. You saw what happened to Ian Gillan – twice. Ritchie doesnât really honor if people take a stand against him.
So for the continuation of the Blackmore-Lord tandem and the benefit of us all, Jon had the exact right set of character traits even if they sometimes approached âbeaten wife syndromeâ.
September 28th, 2026 at 18:24I missed seeing Bill Ward in concert, 1980 was the closest as at least he was in that Black Sabbath lineup until about August sometime, 1980. By November in Australia, an introduction to another drummer who most of us had no idea who he was. Excepting his surname of course. Bill was never going to go around again after the 90’s appearances, both with ‘Heaven and Hell’ 2005/6 era or the ‘reunion’ of 2012 era. He did a little cameo on the Forbidden tour didn’t he? South American dates perhaps. Of course the 90’s original lineup and yes as Rock says, better off with the reunion late 90’s ‘live’ album. As long as it hasn’t been touched up too much eh? I got rid of the live dvd, what a farce that was. Interrupting live songs with interview material and then going back to a’different’ concert to finish the interrupted song. If I knew of that bullshit I would never have purchased that. At least the guy who has it now enjoys it more than I did. Health issues galore for Bill, so it wasn’t as disappointing knowing that he wouldn’t be part of the reunions of those bands later on. Despite him being ‘wheeled’ out for the 2011 interview with the press announcement. Not one of my favourite drummers, but his earlier 70’s drumming was an influence as such. By the mid to late 70’s live in concert he was too ‘trashy’ and ‘bashy’ with his drumming for my enjoyment. Most probably exacerbated by booze and drugs etc. At least he is on both the Heaven and Hell and Born Again albums and of course Bill was the only reason I tried to watch some of that recent ‘reunion’ with O$$y before O$Bourne carked it. Cheers.
September 28th, 2026 at 23:25Jon used this word himself, talking about the dumping of MK1 members.
Gillan has expressed himself regarding the split of mk2 along the same honestylines.
September 29th, 2026 at 00:22He was as much too blame, maybe even more,for the trouble as Ritchie. HIS WORDS.
I think the relative scarcity of line-up changes both in IGB and GILLAN and their relative ubiquity in Rainbow and Whitesnake show quite clearly that IG on one hand and RB and DC on the other have quite different ways of going about things.
September 29th, 2026 at 16:59Yo,
@28…
The reason behind Bill Ward not participating in the “13” Tour, was because of an qt.”Unsignable contract” arrangement. Years later on his website, he finally revealed that his contract was to only play 3-tunes per show, for fear of fatal consequences if he played full-shows, for the length of the full world tour…
Tommy Clufetos did a pretty-good-job imo, & he was obviously a Bill Ward fan since most of his parts were replecated beat-for-beat.
ReUnion is a great disc-set & representative work of BS, along with the NY show from 1975 as you mentioned. I quite like “Live at Last” too, which was the only “official” release of the band live, though ownership rights belonged to Patrick Meehan, & the release wasn’t sanctioned by the band…( Plus it’s 1980 original release-date made it several years a late delivery, but it’s all we had back then )…
There’s 4-CD BS bootleg titled “Masters of Reality” available that I have that’s most excellent,with generally very good sound worth acquiring, as it features shows from Paris circa 1970, & their appearance at the Cal-Jam 1974….
Ciao !
September 29th, 2026 at 23:25Bill Ward bless him, had health issues to deal with that would have impinged on the ‘world tour’ of that era (2013 etc) of Sabbath, and previous eras as well. That is no secret, the ‘fear’ that he wouldn’t last too long was on everyone’s mind. Being an ardent Sabbath follower throughout those decades, I have always hoped Bill would be up for it. Seriously though, he hasn’t toured and performed consistently since the 1970’s. Alcohol, drugs, depression from family issues initially and also not handling his boozing mate O$bourne not being there with other lineups or vocalists that really should be. On and on his dramas go. The Born Again fiasco. Iommi let him tour a little on the Forbidden tour from my memory. He just wasn’t up for it from what I have read over all those years. A few gigs here and there in the late 90’s plus a couple of festivals. Then the so called H&H reunion, (2005) he let everyone down there by claiming he was up for that and honestly, everyone would have been surprised if he did do that at all. Not his fault his health gives him trouble, but mentally Bill seemed to be not living in a realistic ‘touring’ workload of a musical world. I honestly always hoped he would recover his health and get on top of other issues over the decades. Alas he wasn’t able too. Black Sabbath have always struggled performing live in concert with other drummers since Bill’s unavailability. But, just like many bands, they had to forge on ahead at times. It isn’t the other drummers studio recordings that don’t work, it is when they have to perform the 70’s material. Bill had his way and it is always the original music that comes to the fore when an older version of a bands successful career, is being performed without different key band members. Drummers, guitarists, singers and even bass players and keyboarders as well. It happens, life eh? Cheers.
September 30th, 2026 at 22:34I did own the vinyl of Black Sabbath’s ‘Live at Last’ from its release, early 80’s and I played it a lot back in the good old days. Always enjoyed the extended improv ‘song’ Wicked World. I did previously own a bootleg ‘Gr’ndlepol’ a live Sabotage tour, a rough and ready boot that was. The live version of ‘Killing Yourself to Live’ on that bootleg is from the Cal Jam allegedly. 1976 and my older brother returned from Sydney with that and Deep Purple’s ‘Perks and Tit’. The first time I heard sections of that ‘Burn’ tour live in concert and also the first dreaded vocal dilemma of Hughes and Coverdale butchering a MKII song. Also a Led Zeppelin ‘Earls Court’ bootleg, named something else of course, most probably ‘Uwe’s Lament’ or something like that. Mind you, there are a few other ‘punters’ here at THS commenting lately that that could be named after, I forget their names, he he he. Funny how I remember Uwe Hornung’s name though, well not really funny, you know what I mean. Cheers.
https://www.discogs.com/release/2891675-Black-Sabbath-Grndlepol?srsltid=AU7gw4WNeHTk72SllU82gDfYlrD-5S4kLZuRGdhKg9s13xwfD0z46NTj
October 2nd, 2026 at 00:15I thought Clufetos did a good job too, much preferred him to Vinnie Appice, not that Vinnie is by any means a bad drummer, but he never made me smile, everything sounded very earnest and rehearsed with him.
What made the Ozzy BS line-up stand out to me was that not Geezer Butler & Bill Ward were the rhythm section (like in nearly any other band, well I guess in the Stones the rhythm section was Keith & Charlie), but Geezer Butler & Tony Iommi when doing their joint riffing. And Ward’s drumming defied expectations because he sort of “danced around” the two, Geezer & Tony were thick as lava, yet he had a light touch (had he joined in, it would have been too much). I found that hugely appealing. My first Black Sabbath album was Master of Reality amd I remember thinking “the drums on this do sound different”, Bill Ward had a Ringo/Peter Criss-type swing to what he did. When he no longer played with Sabbath, their drum sound conventionalized and something was forever lost. Sure, Vinnie Appice could play circles around Bill in a drum clinic, but that is not the point.
In an interview, Bill Ward once summed it up nicely by stating that at one point Tony Iommi “wanted a drummer in the band and I’m not a drummer, I’ve always considered myself a musician“. Very apt.
But I’m likely biased. Bill sang my favorite BS track of all time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr-puXiUMvE
And yes, that totally incongruous, but at the same time ingenious drum break intro he does into the song makes me smile big time. Very Peter Criss (whom I always liked as a drummer too though he was never the heavy-hitting or technically accomplished type either). (And I of course love Geezer Butler’s Macca-impressions on bass on that track too! đ)
I was really surprised when a few months ago the reaction of the usual Black Sabspects here was so “meh” & lukewarm to Bill, I had expected him to be revered in Sabbath quarters. I think he made them special.
October 2nd, 2026 at 16:40Speak not ill of the dead.
I read that again recently.
I m not a diplomat though I ve two sides there.
I think its ironic that a trainwreck called OZZY got all the loyalty and endorsements and forgiving, smoothing over his behaviour/actions.
And the alleged unhealthy drummer, he wasnt always, end 90 s is the proof, didnt get to play on a procastrinated 13 still is alive and busy.
October 2nd, 2026 at 22:38Yo,
@36…I didn’t even have to click-on-the-link to know that “I told you once about my friends & neighbours, they were always seeking but would never find it”…
“Technical ecstasy” is a better album than people give it credit for imo. Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, Sabotage, & Technical Ecstasy make a fine trio. And if you add Never say Die, a great quartet is realized…In fact, the first part of BS’s history is very well placed into 2 x groups of albums of 4 x albums each.
@37…I suggest that the old truth of lead singers & lead guitarists get the most attention stands as truth here as regards to Ozzie. His solo career & its success cannot be overlooked…In this instance at least, he certainly overshadowed Iomi & BS.
Perhaps its because everyone can sing with a little effort, where its not so with guitar, that takes a lot of effort before being rewarded with results ?…
Ciao !
October 3rd, 2026 at 23:50OZZY was managed like Peter Grant did with Led Zeppelin.
The iron fist and totally not caring about whoever else was there around the core.
I never indulged in his solo output though sometimes I see why it kept going.
I bought TRIBUTE and never really felt moved to buy more.
The albums made by Iommi imho were more interesting.
His soloalbums, aside 7th star, didnt ve the same appeal as the BS incarnations.
I often dont know what to think of BORN AGAIN, is it great or shit?
October 4th, 2026 at 17:15“but he never made me smile”
I had countless shows where the performances made me smile.
Steve Morse smiled almost constantly.
I dont know ……….we often say here…….someone who s doing that is insane or fake or dishonest.
I always saw him as the man with a plastic guitar.
Stubbornly and narcissistically playing things 14 year olds did in guitarshops and totally not suited for the DP music.
I dont care how many times he won prizes in guitarmags and was highly praised by his peers.
Eric Clapton was untouchable as well.
HE WAS GOD,they said.
He never moved an inch of my soul.
Ritchie, who also managed to play awful in general gets me out of depressions with old stuff.
Good for him he is happy with Candice and BN but it doesnt touch my soul.
I d rather listen to classical music.
He once said that it was good for your soul. I recognised that.
He unfortunately also often spoke rubbish so….
October 4th, 2026 at 18:28Yo,
@39…IG & Tony Iommi released a double CD titled “Who Cares” as an aid to the victims of the Armenian earthquake circa 2012, that’s mostly quite good with lots-of-“B” sides & unreleased out-take material. Possibly this would scratch-any-itch you have as regards to “Born Again”, that seems to have people complaining about sound / mixing issues etc etc.
SM’s credit lay in reliability, & in helping keep-the-band going strong for many years, whilst expanding the musicianship of everyone imo. Mk-VII onwards was a very new sounding band, one only has to compare Perpendicular with TBRO.
I like Eric Clapton, & respect the successes he achieved regardless of what band he was in. I recently acquired the 2005 “Cream” greatest hits cash-in release, & I’m impressed with the sound quality & most of the tunes presented. But I also have to state that for my tastes, “Mountain” & “West,Bruce & Laing” are far better bands, by a long shot, & are more dissimilar to Cream than similar. The music from Cream though good, hasn’t aged well imo & sounds quite dated. Mountain, & especially WB&L have a much more timelessness sound quality.
Derek & the Dominoes is where EC peaked imo, & there’s a live recording of these guys from 1973 that’s really good once the band fires-up after a few tunes.
Sometimes listening to “classical” music is on my play-list too, as it has certain qualities that only orchestra’s & great melody can deliver…Movie sountracks is where the great modern-day-composers get their chance, & John Williams sits on the throne imo…”Jaws 2″ has to be heard to be appreciated, possibly his finest moment, if not the greatest film lol ! ( Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind probably equals / betters it, though it’s quite long at 77-minutes, so you need plenty of time to get through it)…The Star Wars & Superman themes among countless others are also his melodies / creations. An amazing career. An amazing musician / composer.
The one thing that RB has over other guitarists in Rock imo, is when he’s in-the-mood, the sustained intensity he delivers is matched by no-one that I’ve ever heard.
Ciao !
October 4th, 2026 at 23:11“lots-of-âBâ sides & unreleased out-take material.”
I can imagine that for many it was your perception.
But most tracks I had already gathered or saw sometimes on YT and I already had been saving loads of money for years, NOT buying much to stay afloat financially.
But seeing the tracklist now I might look for the few exeptions on YT. đ
” expanding the musicianship of everyone imo”
Everyone is entitled to feel this or that.
The musician ship level was alreadt extremely high anno 72/73 days.
Except for doing different music I never felt they peaked again like that again, though Dio led Rainbow was very impressive.
October 5th, 2026 at 14:22Thanx to Gregster I m finally getting around searching for unknown stuff from that 2 cd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41sqXjj13Gc
October 5th, 2026 at 19:51Yo,
@40 stated qt…”Steve Morse smiled almost constantly…I don’t know âŚâŚâŚ.We often say here,someone who’s doing that is insane, or fake or dishonest”…
I understand completely what your concerns are all about regarding those fake smiles…I learned all about that from the FIM, & the then 500cc Motorcycle World Championships mid 1990’s…There you’d see world champion Mick Doohan being interviewed in hospital with broken arms & legs etc etc, & he’d have a huge smile on his face…
“Oh yeah, everything’s fine, I couldn’t be happier”…
Ciao !
October 7th, 2026 at 22:39@ 44
I m again committing a crime against 1 of my rules
But yeah,maybe its the American attitude.
A long time I travelled tru Europe encountering many different nationalities and THEY always were talking things like “Everything is great.”
On one hand I m admiring a lot in USA,on the other hand certain things are not sitting well.
But ok,lets pretend I m wiser than I talk and conclude again that I shouldnt generalise.
Lets put it this way, Ian Gillan, like many musicians,has the the habit they now delivered their best work.
Is he Americain?
October 9th, 2026 at 20:57